OT Kapernick files grievance against NFL for collusion

[LadyStanley]

https://sports.yahoo.com/colin-kaepernick-files-collusion-grievance-215952544.html
Colin Kaepernick files collusion grievance against NFL
CBA in action.
Alleges his anthem protest cause of no team signing him.

Feds might keep an eye on this as well if US AG gets go-ahead to pursue civil suit

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[Mayor Bee]

He will lose for two very simple reasons:

1) There are over a hundred other NFL players who similarly protested and are still on rosters

2) He's a lousy QB, and introducing game film from the last two years would prove that pretty conclusively

 

[swimmer77]

IDK.......I think he could still be an NFL quarterback. That isn't to say I support him because I don't.

It is interesting to see all of these owners lock arms with their athletes but not one has stepped up to sign Kaepernick. I get the impression Baltimore came close but thought better after considering the possible consequences.

 

[Pia8988]

It definitely hurt him, but his play hurt more. Marginal players with negatives are never signed.

 

[tarheelhockey]

This looks bad on him. He’ll lose the suit (rightfully... it’s going to be damn near impossible to prove collusion) and the end result will just be fuel for people who want to tear him down as a person.

 

[Diamond Joe Quimby]

He will lose for two very simple reasons:

1) There are over a hundred other NFL players who similarly protested and are still on rosters

2) He's a lousy QB, and introducing game film from the last two years would prove that pretty conclusively

Are there 30 quarterbacks currently on NFL rosters that are better than Colin Kaepernick? 90.7 Passer rating (49.5 QBR), 59.2% completion percentage, 16TD-4Int in 2016.

A passer rating of 90.7 would rank him 13th in 2017, ahead of Russell Wilson.

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

IDK.......I think he could still be an NFL quarterback. That isn't to say I support him because I don't.

It is interesting to see all of these owners lock arms with their athletes but not one has stepped up to sign Kaepernick. I get the impression Baltimore came close but thought better after considering the possible consequences.

His GF compared the Ravens owner to slave master

Owners around NFL and many GM's don't want to deal with headache of dealing with circus for a backup QB

He also sank any potential for Miami to have interest in him with the Castro stuff. Thus when Tannehill went out they didn't look at him as option

 

[Canadiens1958]

Legal opinion from Michael McCann:

https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/10/15/colin-kaepernick-collusion-lawsuit-against-nfl

 

[Acesolid]

This is the dumbest thing I've ever seen.

The guy VOIDED IS OWN CONTRACT, trying to get a better deal.

And then no team would pay him what he asked to be paid... actually, that's not even true, there were serious negotiations with the Ravens, who were extremely interested in him... but during negotiations his absolutely insane and out of control girlfriend started tweeting vile, disgusting insults at the Ravens management (because she felt somehow offended by them). From an article:

The Aug. 2 tweet by Nessa Diab compared a picture of Lewis hugging Bisciotti to a scene from "Django Unchained," in which Samuel L. Jackson as a loyal house slave held Leonardo DiCaprio's cruel plantation owner character.

"His girl [Diab] goes out and put out this racist gesture and doesn't know we are in the back office about to try to get this guy signed," Lewis said. "Steve Bisciotti has said it himself: 'How can you crucify Ray Lewis when Ray Lewis is the one calling for Colin Kaepernick?'"

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...sign-colin-kaepernick-girlfriend-racist-tweet

So, to summarize; A mediocre QB............ who is super controversial........ with an out of control girlfriend with ''tweets'' more disgusting then Donald Trump's.... who voided is own contract to ask for more money..... somehow can't get a job in a super competitive league?

It must be a conspiracy!

 

[Gnashville]

IDK.......I think he could still be an NFL quarterback. That isn't to say I support him because I don't.

It is interesting to see all of these owners lock arms with their athletes but not one has stepped up to sign Kaepernick. I get the impression Baltimore came close but thought better after considering the possible consequences.

His girlfriend ruined his chances in Baltimore. They were going to sign him and she tweeted out racist things about the owner, equating him with a slave owner. Ray Lewis even got offended by what she did and he was on Kaepernick’s side.

Plus he said Castro was a great leader and the US should learn from his leadership. That ruined any chance in Miami. Saying the US is more oppressive than Castro’s Cuba is insanity.

The Titans didn’t consider him because of money. He’s non looking for 3rd string pay and the team only had enough money for an emergency QB.

 

[swimmer77]

Thanks to the posters for clarifying the Baltimore negotiations.

So it sounds like he should be suing his girlfriend for stupidity instead of the NFL for collusion.

 

[Binary Code]

Wow, didn't know about Baltimore.

And now his girlfriend's crying because he can't get a job in the NFL lol What a dumbo.

 

[powerstuck]

He will lose for two very simple reasons:

1) There are over a hundred other NFL players who similarly protested and are still on rosters

2) He's a lousy QB, and introducing game film from the last two years would prove that pretty conclusively

All those players followed a movement.

He instigated it. Martin Luther King instigated a movement and got murdered for it. Many others just participated with minor to no consequences.

 

[JetsWillFly4Ever]

He 100% should be in the league. All the talk about distraction is a bunch of BS. Owners like Jerry Jones signed a guy who beat the shit out of his girlfriend but won't sign someone who took a knee during the anthem because its a distraction (although, with Dak there, there isn't much of a fit). Owners sign players that are distractions every year.

Kap might not be a starting QB, but he is better than many QBs who have started this year, I'll name a few for you: Kizer, Hogan, Cassel, Cutler, Tolzien, Bortles, Hoyer, Hundley (who will start next week for GB). That is not even including back-ups who haven't started games, of which he is better than basically every single one.

All that being said, proving collusion is going to be nearly impossible.

 

[mouser]

This is the dumbest thing I've ever seen.

The guy VOIDED IS OWN CONTRACT, trying to get a better deal.

He simply beat the 49ers to the punch. The 49ers were going to cut him if he hadn't terminated the contract himself.

 

[Burke the Legend]

Does a business argument fly in this sort of dispute? That Kapernick carries a negative reputation with a lot of fans so signing Kapernick would deeply anger (at least some) fans and hurt revenue?

I remember last winter Jose Bautista was a free agent and the Orioles manager said they thought about signing him but decided the fans wouldn't like it. Nobody seemed to think that was controversial albeit there was no white-hot national political debate surrounding Bautista at that moment...

 

[PuckSeparator]

Ha ha, how utterly pathetic. This guy has shot himself in the foot numerous times, most recently having his girlfriend ruin his chances with Baltimore. He should have taken the easy money when it was made available to him by signing the guaranteed contract, but his ego got in the way.

The reality is that Kaep sucks, he can't make any reads and has a slow as hell release. He is and has always been a running back playing QB, and unfortunately QB passer rating somehow favours guys that use their legs. He is worse than his stats indicate and is a huge question mark in terms of locker room dynamics. He also wants to get paid more than he is worth.

Newsflash Kaep: playing in the NFL is not a right, it's a privilege. A privilege that you took for granted. Until now, that is.

 

[Zippy316]

He's probably not wrong, but it's hard to prove his side of this. At this point, he's a good back-up and a decent stop-gap QB.

Since he's more of a dual-threat guy, it limits the teams that would be interested in him. It would be difficult if he were a back-up to a pocket passer because his strengths in case that guy goes down are completely different. So that narrows the teams.

Then when you look at those teams, you have to decide whether he's that much better than the next option.

And on top of all of that, teams are likely to deal with some sort of backlash politically.

I doubt you can prove collusion here.

 

[Acesolid]

He 100% should be in the league. All the talk about distraction is a bunch of BS. Owners like Jerry Jones signed a guy who beat the **** out of his girlfriend but won't sign someone who took a knee during the anthem because its a distraction (although, with Dak there, there isn't much of a fit). Owners sign players that are distractions every year.

Kap might not be a starting QB, but he is better than many QBs who have started this year, I'll name a few for you: Kizer, Hogan, Cassel, Cutler, Tolzien, Bortles, Hoyer, Hundley (who will start next week for GB). That is not even including back-ups who haven't started games, of which he is better than basically every single one.

All that being said, proving collusion is going to be nearly impossible.

But it's not just the kneeling. It's a bunch of other controversies. Like openly and loudly supporting the Castro regime in Cuba (and just like that the Florida teams wont touch him with a ten foot pole), and him and his girlfriend making incendiary tweets and statements loudly (and viciously) insulting team owners and even managers! These are the people who decide who to hire!

I cannot imagine any business, ever, hiring a guy who's wife viciously insulted both the owner and the HR Manager.

The kneeing is just part of the reason he's so toxic. Sure, if he were a guaranteed ''All Star'', maybe some teams might be willing to overlook the fact he's a walking train wreck (as is his girlfriend).... but he's not.

 

[PuckSeparator]

Does a business argument fly in this sort of dispute? That Kapernick carries a negative reputation with a lot of fans so signing Kapernick would deeply anger (at least some) fans and hurt revenue?

I remember last winter Jose Bautista was a free agent and the Orioles manager said they thought about signing him but decided the fans wouldn't like it. Nobody seemed to think that was controversial albeit there was no white-hot national political debate surrounding Bautista at that moment...

He is filing this against the NFL, not against any particular team, but I'm not sure that the league has to go that far... Kaep isn't Tom Brady, he's been pretty bad for some time now and has a hard time executing basic QB tasks in the pocket. Footage from the last two years will demonstrate that.

But it's up to him to come up with the proof in this case, which will be pretty much impossible.

 

[MXD]

I don't know how such an argument can work in a salary-cap league TBH.

Colin Kaepernick is demonstrably a Top-25 QB in the NFL though.

 

[LadyStanley]

https://sports.yahoo.com/colin-kaepernicks-grievance-ends-shot-qb-playing-nfl-065652122.html

Columnist Robinson

By all accounts, his NFL career is over. But his opportunity to challenge the league, and to step far over the line that few have gone near, has just arrived. That’s what the grievance he has filed against the NFL represents: an end, a beginning and a stronger position than before.
It will cost him any faint chance he might have had of getting back on an NFL field. His grievance is loaded with monster allegations and seeks to dig deep under the nails of franchises. That all but assures that no team will ever take a look at him again. Not a call. Not a workout. And most definitely not a paycheck. While some (or many) owners see taking a knee during the national anthem as disrespectful, all of them feel that way about a litigious kick in the ass.
That’s what Kaepernick delivered, accusing NFL owners of scheming to end his career because of his outspoken social activism, and then bowing down to the political pressure of President Donald Trump, who has railed against NFL player protests. And he’s dropped the accusations on the doorstep of the league’s fall meetings in New York, making it a virtual certainty that both the owners and commissioner Roger Goodell will once again be confronted about why he isn’t in the NFL.

Kinda sounds like a spoiled child's tantrum at this point.

 

[Bixby Snyder]

WGAF? Why are we even discussing this in the Business of Hockey forum?

 

[FlameChampion]

Hes a good enough quarterback that he should have a job. But hes not a good enough quarterback to overcome the risk to the owners. He causes a lot of drama. If he was let onto a team, theres a good chance that he divides the locker room and potentially the front office. You cant really blame the owners for not signing him based on that.

That being said, there is no doubt in my mind that there is some collusion going on here. If Kaepernick was white, he would probably have a job. Also if he didnt stand up against for what he believes, he would probably have a job. Similarly to whats going on with the movie industry. Rich white people have the majority of the power. Its going to be hard to change that. Thats how the majority of the world works.

Nothings going to happen though. At the end of the day the world is unfair but Kaepernick isnt good enough to take on the risk either.

 

[LadyStanley]

WGAF? Why are we even discussing this in the Business of Hockey forum?

Because it's a CBA/legal issue (that many are going off on other tangents to support their arguments) in a different league (hence the OT).