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[Sabresruletheschool]

Reinhart for Hanifin is so lopsidedly in favor of the Sabres that you'd be crazy to not be in favor of it.

I'm after Mittelstadt if we're moving Hanifin to Buffalo.

BS. Reinhart was almost a PPG in the last half of the season. It is not lopsided. Hanifin isn't a Lindholm.

 

[Jame]

Reinhart for Hanifin is so lopsidedly in favor of the Sabres

No. It's not.

 

[CatsforReinhart]

Reinhart for Hanifin is so lopsidedly in favor of the Sabres that you'd be crazy to not be in favor of it.

I'm after Mittelstadt if we're moving Hanifin to Buffalo.

Mittelstadt for Hanifin is so lopsided for the canes as a sabres fan you would have to be dumb to make that trade.

 

[CatsforReinhart]

It is a possibility. If Botterill doesn't make some great moves, and if guys like Middlestadt and Nylander don't excel right away, we could be looking at a bad team for years. In which case we'd be wasting away O'Reilly's prime years. But if we trade O'Reilly, there's pretty much no hope Buffalo's going to get better any time soon and we're mailing it in for the next few years. Those are pretty much the options as I see it.

Sabres won't make the playoffs next season even if we win the draft. Might as well get two top 10 picks this year try for Jack Hughes in the draft and the 2019 UFA pool looks really good(Of course signings will happen)

One more year of losing and then I would start to turn the corner with winning.

 

[AvatarAang]

BS. Reinhart was almost a PPG in the last half of the season. It is not lopsided. Hanifin isn't a Lindholm.

I guess that accountant goalie for the Hawks is at the top of your Vezina list since he saved every single shot. See it's easy to make a player look good when you decide what the sample size is.

Reinhart was terrible without Eichel, almost half his points came on the PP last season. He's not worth Hanifin, give me a break.

 

[57special]

Because "slogging away with Rask and Staal" means the only option is a terrible trade. Yeah, that's the way it works.

Relax, all he's asking for is your top 2 draft picks in the next two years...
Like, what GM, ever, makes a deal like that? Let alone adding in Skinner.

BUF has an unrealistic view of ROR's value.

 

[57special]

Since returning from injury around the turn of the calendar, here's what your "3rd d-man" did:


Ryan Ellis GP:44 G:9 A:23 P:32 +26 TOI:23:21

11th in defenseman scoring since January 1 after missing half the season.

He's worth a hell of a lot more than a #13 draft pick.

Yup. Massive undervaluing of Ellis, here. Getting him would singlehandedly turn BUF into a viable defense. He's like a thicker version of Spurgeon that has facial hair....like a lot of facial hair.

 

[is the answer jesus]

I guess that accountant goalie for the Hawks is at the top of your Vezina list since he saved every single shot. See it's easy to make a player look good when you decide what the sample size is.

Reinhart was terrible without Eichel, almost half his points came on the PP last season. He's not worth Hanifin, give me a break.

I guess that accountant goalie for the Hawks is at the top of your Vezina list since he saved every single shot. See it's easy to make a player look good when you decide what the sample size is.

Reinhart was terrible without Eichel, almost half his points came on the PP last season. He's not worth Hanifin, give me a break.

Yeah comparing a half season sample size to 14 minutes in goal is a fantastic comparision.
For the record Reinhart played some of his best hockey when Eichel went out with his sprained ankle this year playing at over a PPG pace. You are really showing your ignorance in your post. My advice to you is watch a little more hockey and make less uninformed posts on HFboards.

 

[Sabresruletheschool]

I guess that accountant goalie for the Hawks is at the top of your Vezina list since he saved every single shot. See it's easy to make a player look good when you decide what the sample size is.

Reinhart was terrible without Eichel, almost half his points came on the PP last season. He's not worth Hanifin, give me a break.

He got 29 pts 5v5 and 21 pts on the PP. He played 33% of the time with Eichel and got 10.3% of his EvSP points with Eichel compared to 57.8% time and 51.7% EvSP with O'Reilly. So, while he did manage to get some good points on the PP, most of his time and points came from playing with O'Reilly.

 

[Jame]

I guess that accountant goalie for the Hawks is at the top of your Vezina list since he saved every single shot. See it's easy to make a player look good when you decide what the sample size is.

Reinhart was terrible without Eichel, almost half his points came on the PP last season. He's not worth Hanifin, give me a break.

That was a good laugh. thank you.

 

[Icicle]

ROR for Young top-pairing defenseman and Cap heavy veteran

It's written on the wall

Come on down

(It'll be ROR for Murray and Jenner after they flame out of the 2nd round)

 

[Dr Quincy]

"Ristolainen is bad because you tanked"

lol

Nope. Ristolainen is "not that great" because he's "not that great". You can't use the "But..but.. but he has no good teammates!!!!" excuse.... because you tanked.

Capice?

 

[Sabresruletheschool]

Nope. Ristolainen is "not that great" because he's "not that great". You can't use the "But..but.. but he has no good teammates!!!!" excuse.... because you tanked.

Capice?

That makes sense. So since Buffalo "tanked" they can't use the fact that the team around Risto is crap? Ok.

So what's Hannifin's excuse? He hasn't looked the greatest and his team didn't tank.

 

[Dr Quincy]

The best way to judge a defenceman is to watch him. A meh defenceman can look like a top pairing guy on one team, and the same guy on a different team could look like a AHL'er. Defenceman are the hardest players to judge because there game is heavily impacted by the system there in, the team around him, and his partner. You can put a really good defenceman on a bad team and he looks lost because the team looks lost and visa versa. Nobody can say for a 100% certainty, but if you put Risto on a good team, I believe people on this board would be comparing him some of the better defenceman in the league.

I agree with the 2 bolded statements.

I disagree a guy is going to look like a top pairing guy on 1 team and an AHLer on another. Is Doughty going to look like an AHLer on Buffalo? Is Cody Franson going to look like a top pairing guy on Nashville (he didn't last time he was there)? No. But a guy might look like a capable bottom pairing guy on 1 team and an AHLer on another.

Risto has had the same issues for 3 different coaches and 3 different systems. Coming into this year many BUF fans (and I can go back and find the quotes) were saying that the talent level on D was way better this year than last year. Now I totally get that those statements were just wishful thinking of fans in the offseason who saw whipping boys dealt and figured ANYONE would be an upgrade.... but you can't have it both ways. Either fans were wrong then or they're wrong now.

As for where Risto would compare if he were on a better team? I guess it depends on what you mean by "some of the better defensemen in the league". I don't think he's a #1 on any contending team, and wouldn't be a #2 on many. That's the thing. Some of those "good teams" are good because they have #1's better than him.

 

[Dr Quincy]

That makes sense. So since Buffalo "tanked" they can't use the fact that the team around Risto is crap? Ok.

So what's Hannifin's excuse? He hasn't looked the greatest and his team didn't tank.

Hanafin isn't that great either. Go back before the draft. I was saying "Werenski > Hanafin" in Dec./Jan of that year.

 

[old kummelweck]

How about ROR for Ryan Suter from a value standpoint.

 

[AvatarAang]

Yeah comparing a half season sample size to 14 minutes in goal is a fantastic comparision.
For the record Reinhart played some of his best hockey when Eichel went out with his sprained ankle this year playing at over a PPG pace. You are really showing your ignorance in your post. My advice to you is watch a little more hockey and make less uninformed posts on HFboards.

so you complain about me using a small sample size and then use another small sample size to try and prove Reinhart is some high end talent?

He's a powerplay specialist that can play with high end players. Nothing wrong with that but again a homer will only see the negatives.

My advice to you is to take off the homer goggles, you could contribute so much more here if your opinion wasn't so biased.

 

[Bazeek]

How about ROR for Ryan Suter from a value standpoint.

No.

 

[Sabresruletheschool]

I agree with the 2 bolded statements.

I disagree a guy is going to look like a top pairing guy on 1 team and an AHLer on another. Is Doughty going to look like an AHLer on Buffalo? Is Cody Franson going to look like a top pairing guy on Nashville (he didn't last time he was there)? No. But a guy might look like a capable bottom pairing guy on 1 team and an AHLer on another.

Risto has had the same issues for 3 different coaches and 3 different systems. Coming into this year many BUF fans (and I can go back and find the quotes) were saying that the talent level on D was way better this year than last year. Now I totally get that those statements were just wishful thinking of fans in the offseason who saw whipping boys dealt and figured ANYONE would be an upgrade.... but you can't have it both ways. Either fans were wrong then or they're wrong now.

As for where Risto would compare if he were on a better team? I guess it depends on what you mean by "some of the better defensemen in the league". I don't think he's a #1 on any contending team, and wouldn't be a #2 on many. That's the thing. Some of those "good teams" are good because they have #1's better than him.

Doughty isn't your average defenceman but yeah, he would look considerably worse on Buffalo if he switched with Risto right now. But like I said, if you watch them play, you can see Doughty's a good defenceman, and Franson is slow and bad now matter where he plays. I may have exaggerated to make a point. I watch Risto every game and I don't see this huge flaw your talking about. The only upgrade on defence was Scandella. McCabe regressed big time, Beaulieu plays like a circus monkey, Georges should be retired, and the rest are AHL call ups. Between that, and an offence that can't maintain possession, can't score, and worse of all can't play defense as a whole. Then you have Risto playing 26 minutes a night in that garbage.

 

[Sabresruletheschool]

so you complain about me using a small sample size and then use another small sample size to try and prove Reinhart is some high end talent?

He's a powerplay specialist that can play with high end players. Nothing wrong with that but again a homer will only see the negatives.

My advice to you is to take off the homer goggles, you could contribute so much more here if your opinion wasn't so biased.

That's funny because last year he had 30 even strength points and 17PP points. Seems like he spreads his points out pretty good. Sure he has some things to work on, but so does freaken Hannifin. Talk about homer goggles. Hannifin's "high end talent" and Reinhart's a "PP specialist" lmao.

 

[is the answer jesus]

so you complain about me using a small sample size and then use another small sample size to try and prove Reinhart is some high end talent?

He's a powerplay specialist that can play with high end players. Nothing wrong with that but again a homer will only see the negatives.

My advice to you is to take off the homer goggles, you could contribute so much more here if your opinion wasn't so biased.

First off I'm not making any argument about Reinhart to you. Simply pointing out that you are uninformed when it comes to the Sabres. Reinhart has produced away from Eichel, he played some of the best hockey of his career when Eichel was injured this season. It wasn't a huge sample size and I never said it was, nor did I say a half season was a large sample size, but anyone using 14 minutes of a guy who isnt even an NHL'er in net to make some sort of point about sample size is clearly just trolling. Reinhart has to carry that momentum from the last half into next season and show he can do it for a full season. Also, I could give two shits how a player scores his goals. They all count the same at the end of the day. Reinhart has 48 career points on the PP and 140 points total thus far in his career. I wouldn't label that as a PP specialist, but again, I think your comment is just meant to troll and not actually contribute anything useful to the conversation which appears to be your m.o. Find somewhere else to spew your nonsense this isn't even a thread about Reinhart.

 

[AvatarAang]

That's funny because last year he had 30 even strength points and 17PP points. Seems like he spreads his points out pretty good. Sure he has some things to work on, but so does freaken Hannifin. Talk about homer goggles. Hannifin's "high end talent" and Reinhart's a "PP specialist" lmao.

Feel free to point out where i said at any point that Hannifin is a "high end talent". Or you can keep making up stuff to try and make your posts look good. All I said is that he's not worth Hanifin.

As for my comment on him being a PP specialist, almost 40% of his points this year and last have been on the PP. So yes, I think my comment is more than fair.

It's pretty clear Reinhart's numbers improve when Eichel is healthy (as they should). Which means it's safe to say his numbers would decline if he were traded to Carolina given any C he plays with is a HUGE step down from Eichel. Why on earth would Carolina remotely entertain that swap?

 

[AvatarAang]

First off I'm not making any argument about Reinhart to you. Simply pointing out that you are uninformed when it comes to the Sabres. Reinhart has produced away from Eichel, he played some of the best hockey of his career when Eichel was injured this season. It wasn't a huge sample size and I never said it was, nor did I say a half season was a large sample size, but anyone using 14 minutes of a guy who isnt even an NHL'er in net to make some sort of point about sample size is clearly just trolling. Reinhart has to carry that momentum from the last half into next season and show he can do it for a full season. Also, I could give two ****s how a player scores his goals. They all count the same at the end of the day. Reinhart has 48 career points on the PP and 140 points total thus far in his career. I wouldn't label that as a PP specialist, but again, I think your comment is just meant to troll and not actually contribute anything useful to the conversation which appears to be your m.o. Find somewhere else to spew your nonsense this isn't even a thread about Reinhart.

I brought up the accountant goalie to show you that using sample sizes is not a good way to determine a player's value. Anyone can have a good first half, there's a reason why the Awards are given out at the end of the season. Consistency goes a long way in separating the stars from the streaky players.

And saying you don't care how a player scores their goals further demonstrates your lack of hockey knowledge. A player that scores a bulk of their goals on the PP has a higher chance of regression. What happens if your PP isn't as good next year? What happens if they get a new coach that decides to roll two PP lines, or if Reinhart loses some PP ice team?

Funny how you're automatically labelled a troll just because you don't value Reinhart as highly as the Buffalo homers. I didn't even bring up Reinhart, in fact I replied to someone who did thus my comment is warranted.

The only one that seems to be trolling is you, I'm trying to have a discussion and you're just taking the easy way out accusing others of trolling when in fact it's you that's not contributing to this thread.

It seems like only Sabres fans feel Reinhart/Hanifin is a fair swap, while neutral fans are saying Hanifin is worth more. I guess according to you it makes more sense that we're all trolls rather than Buffalo fans having a hometowm bias.

 

[Sabresruletheschool]

Feel free to point out where i said at any point that Hannifin is a "high end talent". Or you can keep making up stuff to try and make your posts look good. All I said is that he's not worth Hanifin.

As for my comment on him being a PP specialist, almost 40% of his points this year and last have been on the PP. So yes, I think my comment is more than fair.

It's pretty clear Reinhart's numbers improve when Eichel is healthy (as they should). Which means it's safe to say his numbers would decline if he were traded to Carolina given any C he plays with is a HUGE step down from Eichel. Why on earth would Carolina remotely entertain that swap?

I misread your statement. But If Reinhart isn't high end talent, then neither is Hanifin. Reinhart has gotten 35% of his points over the last 3 years on the PP. Which makes him very good on the PP, but doesn't make him a "PP specialist". And I already gave the numbers with his linemates. He was used around 33% of the time with Eichel and only got around 10% of his even strength points with Eichel, so your facts are completely wrong.

 

[Aladyyn]

Reinhart has only been our best even strength player for every season he's played.

Powerplay specialist lol.