Optimism Unabated

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  1. abracanada

    abracanada Registered User

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    Everyone is going to build a Stanley Cup champion out of the new CBA and its cap.

    Boston says they are in the best position.
    http://bruins.bostonherald.com/bruins/view.bg?articleid=91082

    Steve Simmons from the Toronto Sun has been quoted blabbing about how all of this is an opportunity for the Leafs to dump a lot of salary, and build a real contender.

    Now between the Bruins saying they can build a contender by buying castoffs (like those from the Mapleleafs), and the Leafs saying they will be able to build a contender by casting off dead weight (who the Bruins intend to use to build a contender) and pursue other castoffs from other teams, aren't we being a little optimistic here?

    I don't see any teams being instantly catapulted into the Cup finals here as a consequence of buying a cup (wait a minute, isn't that how we got into all of this trouble?). I believe, it will still take good management and scouting, and a real desire on the part of the entire organization to win the cup. I don't really see this as a quick fix for incompetent managers.
     
  2. incawg

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    For an entire year we've had nothing to cheer for. I think we're all entitled to a little optimism regarding our franchises, as misguided as it may be.


    ps. After signing forsberg, the bulin wall, and scott niedermayer, the canucks are going to win the cup in 2006.
     
  3. MarkZackKarl

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    You couldn't buy a winner in the old CBA either. You needed money to keep a team together that has already won, but you couldn't 'buy' anything. Since the UFA age was 31, the readily available players were all passed their prime, and thus they would not help an average or bad team improve to the level (or improve at all) required to become a contender.

    You win, then you pay to keep your players. Thats how it should be.

    You can't pay then win, the players prove themselves and get rewarded for it. Before the simpletons go off crying foul: Good teams should cost more, and usually do. The teams that win have the best players, on average. As the team improves and grows the payroll goes up as well. There are also several cases of teams cutting payroll and improving.

    Money couldn't buy you **** in the old CBA. Thats a good thing.
     
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    Brains over bucks?
     
  5. futurcorerock

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    ...and subsequently dump the Sedins, Mattias Ohlund to Atlanta, sending Vancouver to the scrap heap after Naslund and Forsberg collectively join forces with Modo.

    Atlanta wins the cup in 2007-2011
     
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    You are literally insane.
     
  7. MarkZackKarl

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    You mean smart, right? Oh wait, you can't use basic reasoning or logic skills, or even have the gall to look at, gasp, actual results? Gee, well I guess you can continue to have the same misguided opinion if you ignore facts, rationality and reasoning... :yo:
     
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    And what do you call it that Detroit did to win their last cup? They bought many of those players.
     
  9. incawg

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    That's fine, as long as we got our cup in 2006 :yo:
     
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    He's right. New York Rangers bought their team for years and couldn't build a winner.

    On the other hand, the Red Wings used their money as well, though it turned into a couple of cups.
     
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    So adding Scott Niedermeyer wouldn't help a team make the next step and win the Stanley Cup? How about Naslund next year? Can you tell us how old you are, because FYI, many players are in their prime into the mid-30's.

    Can you successfuly build a team ENTIRELY around UFA's? Hell no! Can they be very integral parts of Cup winning teams? Hell yes!

    I think that every GM should be looking at this as an opportunity to sell the fans that they have a chance to compete. This is a time for optimism regarding the future. Teams like BOS or CHI that have very few players under contract can point to the space available for prospects and for FA's.
     
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    For the love of all that is good and holy, could you please change your avatar to at least say 2006?

    I get a headache everytime I see it.
     
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    There aren't too many teams to count out as contenders next year. From here on our there will be so much parity, maybe too much.
     
  14. Cawz

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    No, he's just a kid with a very narrow point of view. Some people are here to learn, some are here to rant. I think its unfortunate that some people are so closed minded that they think they know better then everyone else and refuse to listen a differing opinion.

    Of course there are going to be problems with any CBA. But there will be a hell of a lot more optimism throughout the league, compared to the obsolete system. Optimism = happy fans. Any fan disappointed with the NHL finally catching up to cousin sports leagues is truely misguided.
     
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    The "quick fix for incompetent managers" qualifies as a prejudicial statement, I think. As you mentioned Boston and Toronto, specifically, I gues that's who you're talking about. Well, in different ways, both of those teams have been well managed, but that's not my main point.

    My main point is that the new CBA is a time to be optimistic. After all, GMs have the opportunity to rebuild teams under a brand new system. It's a challenge that any hockey person would relish. Not everyone will be equally successful, obviously, but at the beginning of the process everyone is hopeful. It's an exciting time to be a GM or fan.

    You are right about the importance of scouting and drafting, but the intelligent use of the free agent market will also be a key determinant of success in the future (as it has been in the past). Part of what should hopefully improve the league is the fact that more teams may now be able to access top free agents. That's a good thing.

    But fans who use to mock the signing of free agents, as if it were somehow embarrassing, may now be cheering for their team to enter the fray.
     
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    Dude, Timmy is sooooooooooo last Tuesday. ;)
     
  17. Timmy

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    The handle reflects my ordinary state of consciousness.

    And last Tuesday was a great day. :jump:

    Doesn't change the fact that the sens avatar makes absolutely no sense and gives me a headache every time I see it.
     
  18. blitzkriegs

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    some teams could sign up to 15 NEW players. That's a crapshoot to think there will be chemistry there.

    IMO, you will probably see players having a team/location list, but most players will probably resign with their current clubs @ reduced rates.

    I don't think players are gonna be playing offseason hold out. Under the cap, there's a fixed amount of funds available. In each passing day, the amount gets consumed. There WILL be players squeezed out of the league or taking monster paycuts as teams get closer to the cap. Not everyone is gonna be at the ceiling, but once you make the floor, that's it.

    Finally, this offseason is could be the equivalent of filling up expansion teams. Major exception, this time the league is not giving you list to choose from & your only other competition is one team. The pool will be vast & with a lot of fishermen dropping lines. Whomever grabs, gets paid.
     
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    Just a bit self-contradictory, wouldn't you say?
     
  20. Cawz

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    In what way?
     
  21. Crazy_Ike

    Crazy_Ike Cookin' with fire.

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    Doh! He is? I thought he was the comic relief. I mean, I thought you had to be deliberately trying to be as wrong as he consistently is...

    :biglaugh:

    The fact bothe Toronto and Boston think they have the key to winning the Cup through diametrically opposite means shows that we're finally getting a CBA that gives realistic hope to *every* team, not just the ones who can afford to pay the big bucks to the big players. Much different than just desperate hope for a fluke run.
     
  22. Cawz

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    I couldnt agree more. I actually like it when he posts. He's so easy to disagree with. There are very valid points being made on both sides of the arguments, just not by him.

    Hell, we're all going to be CBA experts by the time this is all said and done.
     
  23. Tiki

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    Funny, The majority of the posters here have the same feelings about you. Your myopic views of the NHL are truley skewed and very far off to say the least.
     
  24. Timmy

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    I think that is patently unfair, and I think he makes excellent, unbiased, and valid points. He is neither myopic nor skewed in his views.

    In fact, I think --

    Crap, the orderlies are coming.

    Later.
     
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    Please elaborate because everything he says makes sense to me.
     
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