Confirmed with Link: Oleksiak to PIT for conditional 2019 4th

Troy McClure

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All of this handwringing about carrying 8 D for all this time out of fear of exposing guys to waivers, and Nill ends up finding out Oleksiak had no value.
 

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Was quite surprised to see the news, but don't know why. It had to happen. I still think the entire supposed Hitch fascination and pushing of him was a ploy to build Jamie O's value. Probably gave themselves a third of a season to see if it worked, then trade him for what they can get for him.

Frankly, it was about the return I expected.

Now, I wonder if the (probably) well known inside the Stars plan had any effect on locker room chemistry? I hope that improves and they go on a tear.
 

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Got curious on our other D lost, Patrick Nemeth. Third pair Left D with Avs. Stats not really bad, a plus D on an improving, but still not great team.

Jamie ought to get some boost from playing on a pretty good D, sheltered as he will be.

Good luck to him!
 

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I see Jamie's NHL trajectory to be similar to John Erskine. He will stick somewhere, probably a lower level team, but never be great. I don't see him as the second coming of Matt Niskenan for PITT, if that is what they are thinking.

Nisky had some good seasons, fell off, was similarly ridiculed by fans and JN 1 gave him away without return. At least JN 2 got the 4th.
 

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Nemeth's on-ice shooting percentage is 13% so you can expect his PPG rate to decrease as the season continues.

Oleksiak has no brain but he's had a few stupid plays where he's worked people with the puck. I think he'll be in Europe sooner rather than later.
 

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I see Jamie's NHL trajectory to be similar to John Erskine. He will stick somewhere, probably a lower level team, but never be great. I don't see him as the second coming of Matt Niskenan for PITT, if that is what they are thinking.

Nisky had some good seasons, fell off, was similarly ridiculed by fans and JN 1 gave him away without return. At least JN 2 got the 4th.

Yeah, you could be right there. Oleksiak is definitely a better skater and there is the argument that big guys like Zdeno Chara have taken a while to develop - maybe five or six years in his case - so I can see the hope for him, but if this doesn't pan out that's probably his ceiling.
 

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The Chara comparison worked a couple of years ago as a way to sell optimism that Okelsiak might not be a bust, but people forget that Oleksiak has now passed the point where Chara became awesome. Chara was 24 during his first season with the Senators when his offensive and defensive games took off. Oleksiak is 25.

In addition, during the seasons prior to the Islanders trading him, Chara was a full time 20 minute a night guy. Oleksiak is mostly a healthy scratch who plays a minor role when he's on the ice.
 

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Sounds like Sergei Gonchar wants a success story/project to prove he is a great defensive coach. Worth the chance for Pitt and I do hope Jamie does okay there, but not great. It would be an indictment of the Stars development system, IMHO.

Nemeth playing top 4 for the Avs is bad enough!
 

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Sounds like Sergei Gonchar wants a success story/project to prove he is a great defensive coach. Worth the chance for Pitt and I do hope Jamie does okay there, but not great. It would be an indictment of the Stars development system, IMHO.

Nemeth playing top 4 for the Avs is bad enough!

Nemeth isn't top4 material. He has been a nice story for the Avs but he's playing very limited minutes. No way he's better than Methot or Hamhuis.
 

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he had a nice first game for the pen's tonight. not great, no brain farts, but he wasn't the worst defender for the pens
edit just saw his 3rd game......looked like a fourth was too high. :)
edit; last game he look like a top 4.......this dude is like a box of chocolates.
 
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Nemeth isn't top4 material. He has been a nice story for the Avs but he's playing very limited minutes. No way he's better than Methot or Hamhuis.

Really??? Top 4 or not he brings incredibly value for most teams except from Dallas?

Take another look at Nemeth's stats please including the amount of ice time / game.

He has the potential to become one of the best stay at home type of dmen in the entire league and the guy is amazing on pk. His blocked shots/game average (percentage) is currently number one in entire NHL I believe. In addition his offensive game has been fine too.
 
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Really??? Top 4 or not he brings incredibly value for most teams except from Dallas?

Take another look at Nemeth's stats please including the amount of ice time / game.

He has the potential to become one of the best stay at home type of dmen in the entire league and the guy is amazing on pk. His blocked shots/game average (percentage) is currently number one in entire NHL I believe. In addition his offensive game has been fine too.

One of the best in the league.. OK dude calm down. Also, he is blocking all those shots because he never has the puck when he is on the ice, good players don't block shots the puck is on their stick.
 

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One of the best in the league.. OK dude calm down. Also, he is blocking all those shots because he never has the puck when he is on the ice, good players don't block shots the puck is on their stick.

Oh yes, I fully believe he is great in powerplay killing and has the capacity to become one of the best "stay at home" type of defensive d-men in the league. Guess we'll have to wait and see, one thing is for sure, he has had a fantastic start in Colorado.

Also 11 points in 28 games together with 13 in the +- stats is not bad for this type of defensive d-man.

Nemeth was very important both when Sweden winning gold in junior world championship and for Texas Stars winning the Calder. Dallas giving him away for basically nothing to Colorado was not a very smart move if you ask me. Nemeth was incredibly unlucky with injuries in Dallas and I guess they lost hope. Anyway, probably fun for him being reunited with Landeskog again (they played in the same highly successful team as kids in Stockholm for Hammarby).
 
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Defensive D men don't have the puck on their stick much. Players have different roles.....shot blocking is one Nemeth should fill. One of the dumbest comments I have read here.

IMHO Ruff ruined him, but he always had top 5 potential. Everything Razor says about Lindell, he once glowed about Nemeth. And Grossman, so it' hard to say how 2nd round picks on D will play out.
 

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One of the best in the league.. OK dude calm down. Also, he is blocking all those shots because he never has the puck when he is on the ice, good players don't block shots the puck is on their stick.

I strongly disagree here. The two the best shot blockers leaguewide over the last few seasons, Kris Russell and Alec Martinez are actually pretty good puck movers. Martinez in particular is a very skilled defender who's also a PP specialist. Looking at this season, other top shotblockers include guys like Pietrangelo, Morrissey, Provorov, Weber, Spurgeon, Ellis, Edler or McDonagh. To say that those aren't good players would be crazy. Shot blocking is a skill. You gotta learn it. Not everybody can do it effectively and without getting hurt. Dan Girardi is a specialist and it's only recently that he got hurt for the first time after blocking a shot.

Of course it also comes down to the role you're playing. PK, defensive zone starts, playing top competition or having bad teammates can help to get blocks. Tactics also play a role. It's why Kings defensemen block much more than their colleagues year after year. Defense is the strength of the Kings...despite or even because they're blocking shots. No coincidence that just about every goalie playing for the Kings comes up with strong numbers. Even Budaj looked like an allstar behind them.

Of course that doesn't make Nemeth a top4 defender. I just had to disagree with your general statement. Also has to be said that Nemeth got 11 of his 85 blocks from a single game against Arizona. I think somebody must have been drunk there. I haven't watched the game but this cannot be true. Only Anaheim and Washington have fewer shots than Arizona and even as a fantasy player focussing on Blocks and Hits I've never seen a player get 11 shots.
 
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Coming in peace, I actually was very annoyed and upset when Dallas dumped Nemeth because I have been following him during his career, always thought he had a future in Dallas. It wouldn't surprise me if Landeskog had something to do with this, I'm pretty sure Sakic at least asked him about Nemeth. Landeskog and Nemeth played together as kids in an almost legendary kids team in Stockholm (not sure if they lost a game, perhaps one or two).

Yes, I'm a Colorado fan but I simply tend to follow the teams with my favorit Swedes, I'm not super loyal about favorit NHL teams, I'm a Swede. ;-) I for sure didn't mind him ending up in Colorado though, the legacy from Forsberg is deep in my soul and I like Landeskog as well.

You guys talking about elite defensive d-men like Kris Russell and Alec Martinez (also Pietrangelo, Morrissey, Provorov, Weber, Spurgeon, Ellis, Edler, McDonagh), players actually focusing on playing defense. ;-)

Liking Nemeth or not I guess we can all agree upon his start in Colorado being rather impressive? Perhaps most of you guys will not admit it was an embarrassing mistake giving Nemeth away for nothing but for me it was increadibly stupid.

I have to repeat my statement, I do believe Nemeth has the capacity of becoming an elite stay at home type of d-man, of course a lot having to do with how the rest of the team plays though. He looked better being paired with Barrie (injured) compared to Barberio though.


GP G A TP +/-
Nemeth
28 3 8 11 13
3.035 blocked shots /game
0.39 points/game

TOI 18:41
6' 3", 215 lbs
Age 25


Kris Russell
46 3 13 16 -2
2,934 blocked shots/game
0.35 points/game

TOI 18:45
5' 10", 170 lbs
Age 30

Alec Martinez
40 4 8 12 2
2,9 blocked shots/game
0.3 points/game

TOI 23:52
6' 1", 210 lbs
Age 30
 
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Coming in peace, I actually was very annoyed and upset when Dallas dumped Nemeth because I have been following him during his career, always thought he had a future in Dallas. It wouldn't surprise me if Landeskog had something to do with this, I'm pretty sure Sakic at least asked him about Nemeth. Landeskog and Nemeth played together as kids in an almost legendary kids team in Stockholm (not sure if they lost a game, perhaps one or two).

Yes, I'm a Colorado fan but I simply tend to follow the teams with my favorit Swedes, I'm not super loyal about favorit NHL teams, I'm a Swede. ;-) I for sure didn't mind him ending up in Colorado though, the legacy from Forsberg is deep in my soul and I like Landeskog as well.

You guys talking about elite defensive d-men like Kris Russell and Alec Martinez (also Pietrangelo, Morrissey, Provorov, Weber, Spurgeon, Ellis, Edler, McDonagh), players actually focusing on playing defense. ;-)

Liking Nemeth or not I guess we can all agree upon his start in Colorado being rather impressive? Perhaps most of you guys will not admit it was an embarrassing mistake giving Nemeth away for nothing but for me it was increadibly stupid.

I have to repeat my statement, I do believe Nemeth has the capacity of becoming an elite stay at home type of d-man, of course a lot having to do with how the rest of the team plays though. He looked better being paired with Barrie (injured) compared to Barberio though.

I've watched a lot of Avs earlier, not so much lately. But yeah, I think Nemeth has been good for the Avs, just like Oleksiak has for the Pens. However, which current Stars defenseman would you sit for them? Stars defense is far from perfect but as long as they're healthy there's no open spot. Of course, with Methot out, it would be nice to have another lefty. At least it opens up a spot for Honka if nothing else.
 
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Lindell - Klingberg
Hamhuis - Pateryn
Methot/Nemeth/Johns/Oleksiak - Honka


Methot/Nemeth/Johns/Oleksiak all have one thing in common and that is that none of them bring anything to the table.
 

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