Old prospect rankings

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  1. beerman

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    I guess I'll start to compile a list of links in my first post.
     
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    I've googled alot lately trying to find some, but I could not find anything good. I'm interested too...
     
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    We're going to be posting an historical look at past rankings 2003, '04, '05 and perhaps '06 as we lead up to the draft. We'll be posting these stories on our website and offering them to our friends here at Hockeys Future. We'll keep you posted.
     
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    If you sign up to NHL Central Scouting Service (free service) you can view rankings from past years back to 1997. Also has a lot of Draft analysis and insight to read. Unsure if I can post a link without getting an infraction so just Google "central scouting" and it's the first link returned.
     
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    Thats cool that you guys are doing that, but the even the 03 class has many guys that haven't really settled into the nhl yet. Could you ask the guys there at ISS to do one for 02 and previous.......or just enable us to look at the final rankings for previous draft classes? Thanks.
     
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    that information is all destroyed after training camp.

    :sarcasm:
     
  8. beerman

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    Hopefully other people will post other links of McKeens and ISS or even central scouting. Im gonna go back as far as I can hopefully all the way to 1990.
     
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    Two interesting things that strike me was RL's good call of a sleeper for Emery and also RL's huge mistake of ranking Weiss over Spezza.
     
  10. ISS Hockey

    ISS Hockey Top30 Draft Rankings

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    Well, I'd love to but we were born on October 4, 2002. We are just wrapping up our fifth season of operation.

    When you think about it, this is a good time to go back and look at our first set of rankings for the 2003 draft. 2004 would be OK to do, but really I think it might be too early to get a good read on 2005 or later, but we'll see.
     
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    yeah I figured that maybe McKeens or ISS wasnt around back then after only being able to find RL and CSS.

    Hey, do you have any way of comparing the top 5 prospects with other prospects from other years. Im not talking about the fact that the top end as a whole was better in 2006, but more like how a VanRiems compares to someone similar in a Bobby Ryan, or Kane compared to a Brule or Kessel.

    Of course I'm talking about what their value was at the draft, not after being able to see them play for a couple more years.

    Another example would be how would a Voracek compare to the top guys from the past 3 years.....or for that matter since you guys started. I know theres no Crosby/AO in this class.......but is anybody from this class close to or equal to say a Jordan Staal or Jon Toews?

    How about Alzner versus Barker.

    Thanks for your input.
     
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    anyone have any old mckeens rankings from 2002 or earlier?
     
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    The comment on Steve Eminger leads me to the question what is a safe pick? Reaching the NHL or reaching your potential?
    I know Eminger is young and can develop his game over the next years, but I think he has been a little bit of a dissapointing so far. Does something like a safe pick exist if it's not a Crosby or a Ovechkin like Franchise player
     
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    i was thinking the same exact thing...i would say a safe pick is usually someone who is of good size and pretty good overall skills.
     
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    McKeen's Top 10 and a few note worthy guys outside of the top 30, from 2002.

    1 Jay Bouwmeester
    2 Rick Nash
    3 Joni Pitkanen
    4 Kari Lehtonen
    5 Ryan Whitney
    6 Steve Eminger
    7 Jiri Hudler
    8 Scotty Upshall
    9 Alex Semin
    10 Joffrey Lupul WHL
    12 Anton Babchuck
    17 Dan Paille
    18 Jim Slater
    23 Eric Nystrom
    24 Jarret Stoll
    29 Pierre M. Bouchard
    30 Chris Higgins

    I couldn't find the 2003 rankings - I do remember they got a few things right such as Michalek at 4th overall :)
     
  17. Your earlier post on this thread and your comment lead me to ask what a realistic time frame is to assess the quality of a draft pick, or an entire draft year for that matter. It sounds to me like you think 3 years is the minimum time-frame to do a meaningful analysis. Is that fair?
     
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    Redline was very wrong about Ryan Whitney.
     
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    They had Keith Ballard ranked 43rd as well.
     
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    Mid-round sleepers worth a look

    2. Garth Murray — Tough as nails; sticks up for team-mates and does all the little things: blocks shots, drives net, finishes checks and is sound defensively. Skating is mediocre and will hinder him at next level, but intangibles are fabulous.

    :biglaugh:

    If only...he could be useful!
     
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    Funny how the 99 draft was expected to be so good and ended up being one of the worst in recent memory.

    Also funny, how it was thought that the forwards of 01 were best in 10 years while the 02 crop was subpar. In fact the 02 draft was supposed to be subpar overall and ended up being quite the opposite.

    Puts some perspective on all the talk about this year being bad.

    Even more though, it reminds us that the neverending cycle of "next year" or the year after are going to be soooo good many times isn't true.
     
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    Actually that's a pretty accurate assessment. You don't expect an NHL career from a mid-round sleeper. Murray has at least scratched the surface. And after his current contract is up and he gets slotted back down to a league-minimum salary, there will probably always be a few cap-strapped teams ready to give him minutes on the 4th line, since he can kill penalties and play tough.
     
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    quoted for truth. no one knows a good or bad draft year. the talent may not seem spectacular, but the kids could really turn it up a notch.

    people are hyping 2009 like its the end all be all....just have to wait and see.
     
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    Another point that you can see is that goalies are very hard to predict. Look at the highest rated goalie from 98. He played in the 2nd german league last year
     
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    Haven just spoken with our director of scouting on this matter yesterday, we agree that five years later is a fair time to assess a draft because by this time, you have a pretty good idea what the player can do at the NHL level or whether they are capable of making the NHL. If you go earlier, you are evaluating draft picks that still have quite a bit of development time. After three years, it would be OK to start a preliminary analysis, as long as you realize the grades can and will change.
     

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