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If we have to trade Trouba, we might as well open up cap space while we're at it, so absolutely no to taking on Sekera's deal.
Also, f*** no to trading Trouba.
Also, f*** no to trading Trouba.
Proposal: Oilers Offseason (NYR, WPG, MTL)
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Hunter368
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Excluding moving undesirables/deadweight, trades are made based on supply and demand, and where applicable, also on various x factors that may apply [can't extend, player wants to go to particular city for personal reasons, etc etc etc].
Ordinary/regular productive players can be had for ordinary cost.
Special players are rarer, harder to replace, and command more. And you WILL pay more if you want the guy cause no one is gonna do somebody a favor and discount the sale.
An ordinary swap, you can be ballpark fair.
dollar for a dollar [swap of L and R similar position, complementary needs].
80ish cents for a buck 5, either side.
A special player maybe 4 50 cent pieces for a dollar, but you are gonna overpay.
Kreider is on a nice contract for 2 more seasons, and is a special player. There are no negatives. He has more upside. NY will not let him go cheap, if at all. He is on a par with Draisatil, whether you like to hear it or not. They are both close enough to equally strong [I prefer CK, but its not enough to quibble over]; Draisatil is a better shooter and Kreider is a better skater.
The first 2 months LeoDrai was here, he was kind of lost, and had to go back down. Sensibly, Oil kept him. Now he shows himself to be the star he is.
Puulj is not as clear cut. He has a lot of check marks in the comparable to Draisatil and other stars. But his skating IS suspect, and that is huge. Rangers will not pay, let alone overpay for him on any basis which suggests he has actually arrived. We would be interested on something that reflects his current actual value, which is basic prospect plus some potential that reflects his legit upside. However, I am not sure yet he will or will not develop on his skating. The difference is if not, he is a more limited dimension very lite John LeClair type, one whose effectiveness is best in the crease, as opposed to a Draisatil type, who can work more effectively most of the offensive zone. I realize you have to have profit to move Puulj, but reward risk is a factor, as risk goes up with the price. So we pass unless we can agree on the pieces.
His upside, IF he can skate, is MAYBE LeoDrai.
But his downside is Sam Reinhart, productive but not a great skater, and not worth that high a pick where selected.
Zib commands more than 9OA.
In his case, I see possible deals with AZ and BUF as more likely for a better return.
You probably are best keeping Puulj, and if you have no other options for some inexplicable reason I cannot fathom and are determined to move him, let us know, and if you are getting lowball offers only, we can probably do better; however, we are not gonna match, let alone beat, some overpayment.
Ordinary/regular productive players can be had for ordinary cost.
Special players are rarer, harder to replace, and command more. And you WILL pay more if you want the guy cause no one is gonna do somebody a favor and discount the sale.
An ordinary swap, you can be ballpark fair.
dollar for a dollar [swap of L and R similar position, complementary needs].
80ish cents for a buck 5, either side.
A special player maybe 4 50 cent pieces for a dollar, but you are gonna overpay.
Kreider is on a nice contract for 2 more seasons, and is a special player. There are no negatives. He has more upside. NY will not let him go cheap, if at all. He is on a par with Draisatil, whether you like to hear it or not. They are both close enough to equally strong [I prefer CK, but its not enough to quibble over]; Draisatil is a better shooter and Kreider is a better skater.
The first 2 months LeoDrai was here, he was kind of lost, and had to go back down. Sensibly, Oil kept him. Now he shows himself to be the star he is.
Puulj is not as clear cut. He has a lot of check marks in the comparable to Draisatil and other stars. But his skating IS suspect, and that is huge. Rangers will not pay, let alone overpay for him on any basis which suggests he has actually arrived. We would be interested on something that reflects his current actual value, which is basic prospect plus some potential that reflects his legit upside. However, I am not sure yet he will or will not develop on his skating. The difference is if not, he is a more limited dimension very lite John LeClair type, one whose effectiveness is best in the crease, as opposed to a Draisatil type, who can work more effectively most of the offensive zone. I realize you have to have profit to move Puulj, but reward risk is a factor, as risk goes up with the price. So we pass unless we can agree on the pieces.
His upside, IF he can skate, is MAYBE LeoDrai.
But his downside is Sam Reinhart, productive but not a great skater, and not worth that high a pick where selected.
Zib commands more than 9OA.
In his case, I see possible deals with AZ and BUF as more likely for a better return.
You probably are best keeping Puulj, and if you have no other options for some inexplicable reason I cannot fathom and are determined to move him, let us know, and if you are getting lowball offers only, we can probably do better; however, we are not gonna match, let alone beat, some overpayment.
Have you ever watched Puljujarvi? Skating is definitely not the issue with Pool party lol, I don't know how anyone who has watched more than 2 games of his could come to this conclusion. This isn't even a remotely close analysis of him.
I have not seen him nite in and nite out. I was unimpressed with his skating in any televised games I caught, although I did not yet consider it a fatal defect. However, when people are pressed to say what aspect of his game is suspect enough to derail potential stardom, this is what is agreed upon. No one is saying he doesn't have reach, size or strength; those are obvious. And while I have not noticed anything deadly from the blue line, he does have a shot, possibly a scorer's touch.
But the skating, not so much.
ChaoticOrange
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JP is a great skater, has a fantastic shot, and plays a pretty well rounded 200 foot game. Once he figures out that he’s bigger and faster than everyone else and gets his man strength, he’ll be a force.
His offensive awareness is not spectacular either.
ManofSteel55
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go4hockey
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They would get a better offer than that and something that will help now instead of picks that will be years away.
Spearmint Rhino
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Strome is a bust we don't need RHD and we already have 4 2nds in 2018, big no on the Chucky proposal
Can't believe anyone thinks this is an overpayment from the Oil, 9OA +would be minimum, Alex was probably our best player last 2 months of the year once our coach gave him the opportunity
Can't believe anyone thinks this is an overpayment from the Oil, 9OA +would be minimum, Alex was probably our best player last 2 months of the year once our coach gave him the opportunity
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Relax junior, it’s just a post.
I disagree, the teams on the other end receive impeccable assets... extremely bigly assets. This makes the Oilers SC contenders.
Fair deals.
Nobody would take Strome for free ....he is garbage.Alex Galchenyuk
Ryan Strome, Ethan Bear, 2nd Round pick 2018
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Jesse Puljujarvi, Matt Benning
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Jacob Trouba
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Lines next year:
Nugent-Hopkins - McDavid - Kreider
Galchenyuk - Draisaitl - Yamamoto
Lucic - Khaira - Kassian
Aberg - Derek Ryan (UFA) - Cagguila
Nurse - Larsson
Klefbom - Trouba
Russell - Pionk
Talbot
Hutton (UFA)
That is a killer top 6 and a solid top 4, with a 3rd line that would cycle the **** out of opposing teams, and decent bottom lines and pairings. This is a much improved team over last year IMO.
Shootertooter
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Not 100% sure this is sarcasm, but I'm gonna go ahead and choose to laugh.
Oilers Propagandist
Relax junior, it’s just a post.
Lays
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You’re not getting Kreider alone for that package, and we’re definitely not adding Pionk.
That deal for Trouba isn't too bad.
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Lines next year:
Nugent-Hopkins - McDavid - Kreider
Galchenyuk - Draisaitl - Yamamoto
Lucic - Khaira - Kassian
Aberg - Derek Ryan (UFA) - Cagguila
Nurse - Larsson
Klefbom - Trouba
Russell - Pionk
Talbot
Hutton (UFA)
That is a killer top 6 and a solid top 4, with a 3rd line that would cycle the **** out of opposing teams, and decent bottom lines and pairings. This is a much improved team over last year IMO.
Agreed, Kreider is not a thought here for that.
I would do
Namest. + Spooner +
Oil choice, one of Pionk or DeAngelo
+ Bruins 2018 1st
for
Puulj.
Sure it will be shot down as quantity for quality, but EDM does need depth, and it's only real currency that has interest is the potential of either 9OA or Puulj.
Lays
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Shootertooter
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That is massive over payment. Easy pass. But thank Christ you didn't give them our 2nd rders for the next 4yrs.
Only hab trolls in the thread do. They’re in ever habs trade thread and consistently clueless. It’s a bad trade for Montreal. Period
