Rumor: Offseason Rumors Thread #1 | Trade Milan, Milan So Far Away?

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CornKicker

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I read the posts and I wonder how many people here have ever been involved in an actual negotiation before.

lets look at it like this.

Assumed Fact: Chia is looking to bring in another top 4 offensive RHD (most can agree on that, if you disagree on that you are just being obtuse to be obtuse).

Assumed Fact: Every other GM in the league knows Chia is trying to bring in a top 4 RHD.

Assumed Fact: Every other GM also knows Chia traded Eberle for Strome and 16/33 OVa for griffin reinhart.

Non facts but probable based on negotiation tactics.

Chia is talking to teams about their players and who might be available. he starts getting some price info and realizes that everyone is trying to garth snow him. Chia/oilers leak to rishaug that they are looking at prices like 10th+Klefbom for Risto. rishaug says it on air 1. for ratings and buzz and 2. to tell the league that these are the ridiculous offers the oilers are getting. festers for a day then Stauffer, a known oilers shill comes out and says they are not making any big moves (because the price is ridiculous). he pushes the narrative the oilers think less is more this offseason.

so now,

Other GMs know that Chia isn't trying to get hacked again. If they want something from the oilers it will not be eberle for strome bad.
 

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I read the posts and I wonder how many people here have ever been involved in an actual negotiation before.

lets look at it like this.

Assumed Fact: Chia is looking to bring in another top 4 offensive RHD (most can agree on that, if you disagree on that you are just being obtuse to be obtuse).

Assumed Fact: Every other GM in the league knows Chia is trying to bring in a top 4 RHD.

Assumed Fact: Every other GM also knows Chia traded Eberle for Strome and 16/33 OVa for griffin reinhart.

Non facts but probable based on negotiation tactics.

Chia is talking to teams about their players and who might be available. he starts getting some price info and realizes that everyone is trying to garth snow him. Chia/oilers leak to rishaug that they are looking at prices like 10th+Klefbom for Risto. rishaug says it on air 1. for ratings and buzz and 2. to tell the league that these are the ridiculous offers the oilers are getting. festers for a day then Stauffer, a known oilers shill comes out and says they are not making any big moves (because the price is ridiculous). he pushes the narrative the oilers think less is more this offseason.

so now,

Other GMs know that Chia isn't trying to get hacked again. If they want something from the oilers it will not be eberle for strome bad.
I really doubt Chia is this smart.
 
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Risto checks some boxes for us but then our offensive capability from the left side would take a big hit by losing Oscar.
Would it?

Sekera - Larsson probably wouldn't produce at a much lower rate than Klefbom - Larsson in all honesty.

Nurse - Ristolainen on the other hand would outproduce leaps and bounds over Nurse - Larsson.

One for one, I'd have to make that trade. It'd give us some balance back there for the first time since '08.
 

McTonyBrar

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Ty Smith the puck-moving D man? That'd be a great outcome for the Oilers.

Our need is on the right side, however. Ty Smith, also, does not seem as good as his number. Regardless, none of these players will help us next season. Are all you guys really willing to stay another summer out of the playoffs?
 

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Would it?

Sekera - Larsson probably wouldn't produce at a much lower rate than Klefbom - Larsson in all honesty.

Nurse - Ristolainen on the other hand would outproduce leaps and bounds over Nurse - Larsson.

One for one, I'd have to make that trade. It'd give us some balance back there for the first time since '08.
The big if here is...will Sellers bounce back close to his old form? Or will the injury, missed year and his age hold him back?

Could honestly go either way
 

belair

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Our need is on the right side, however. Ty Smith, also, does not seem as good as his number. Regardless, none of these players will help us next season. Are all you guys really willing to stay another summer out of the playoffs?
Long term, it probably isn't. If we're addressing the need at that position at any point over the next year or so, Larsson or him aren't going anywhere anytime soon. On the left side, Sekera and Russell are getting older and if Klefbom is moved for that player, the organization need shifts to the left side instantaneously.

The idea that Smith is available in this draft leads me to believe that Klefbom can be moved this summer.
 

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The big if here is...will Sekera bounce back close to his old form? Or will the injury, missed year and his age hold him back?

Could honestly go either way

His age? He's 32. And he hasn't exactly played a rough game his entire career. 12 months of rehab and I'd say the likelihood of him regaining the majority of his mobility is probably higher than the likelihood of him not. Regardless, the available options to slip into that 7/8 slot this summer at UFA could also fill some of that void offensively in the off-chance Sekera does end up being a write-off for the rest of his career.

One for one, the worst case scenario is we chop it down the middle and Ristolainen ends up being just as productive. The difference is Risto's physicality and the fact that right handed shots are still incredibly hard to come by.
 

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Our need is on the right side, however. Ty Smith, also, does not seem as good as his number. Regardless, none of these players will help us next season. Are all you guys really willing to stay another summer out of the playoffs?
Fair but this team is a few players away from being legit and we don't have the assets or cap space to fix it right now.

I mean I'm sure Chia could throw everything at it and get us into the playoffs but it would be destroying our already shallow prospect pool for a temp fix.

The more I think about it, Chia is boned either way.

To me Chia will have a successful off season if he doesn't throw away a ton of value again and doesn't allow another top 4 defender go for pretty cheap out from under his nose

If he can make minor move that improve, move out dead cap space (Kassian) and find a Ufa winger or two and defender to give our prospects some breathing room... That's all I can expect really.

If he moves a bunch of big assets for a Faulk that's a mistake. Ristolainen is a good target but he CANT sell low on the assets he gives up. The org can't afford another Eberle or Hall or Reinhart trade again.
 
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Our need is on the right side, however.

For now. Needs are fluid. Bear could be a regular in a season's time while Sekera and Russell will be at the end of thel ine and then we'll be looking for LHD.

Ty Smith, also, does not seem as good as his number.

What does that even mean?

Regardless, none of these players will help us next season. Are all you guys really willing to stay another summer out of the playoffs?

I'd rather let it ride and miss the playoffs than lose a trade that ultimately hinders our ability to actually compete in the long run.
 
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Would it?

Sekera - Larsson probably wouldn't produce at a much lower rate than Klefbom - Larsson in all honesty.

Nurse - Ristolainen on the other hand would outproduce leaps and bounds over Nurse - Larsson.

One for one, I'd have to make that trade. It'd give us some balance back there for the first time since '08.

Risto is a black hole at 5v5. "Balance" is all well and good but at some point "ability" needs to be a thing.
 

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Our need is on the right side, however. Ty Smith, also, does not seem as good as his number. Regardless, none of these players will help us next season. Are all you guys really willing to stay another summer out of the playoffs?

There is a fair chance we miss the playoffs next year, that's just the reality of poor management.

Nothing can be done about that now, the worst thing we can do now is continue to make more panic/short term thinking deals. McDavid probably is not going to have a Cup window/opportunity early in his career but if we keep losing trades and doing stupid things we could put his mid-late 20s in jeopardy too.

You can't just keep doing dumb things and think it has no repercussions.

Keep this pick and take the best player available, screw need. If no puck moving D is available then take a forward like Kotkaniemi. And these scouts in this org better damn well be working their ass off to figure out who is the best player available.

Also doubt Ristolainen is available and if he is, Buffalo saw what we gave to get Adam Larsson. They would want RNH minimum. With Dahlin + Eichel, the "lets just full on tank" part of their rebuild is IMO over, they are not going to just gift away Risto for like a 10th pick, they need some other players on that blue line, you can't just throw Dahlin in there at age 19 and expect him to carry the D group.
 
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McTonyBrar

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Fair but this team is a few players away from being legit and we don't have the assets or cap space to fix it right now.

I mean I'm sure Chia could throw everything at it and get us into the playoffs but it would be destroying our already shallow prospect pool for a temp fix.

The more I think about it, Chia is boned either way.

To me Chia will have a successful off season if he doesn't throw away a ton of value again and doesn't allow another top 4 defender go for pretty cheap out from under his nose

If he can make minor move that improve, move out dead cap space (Kassian) and find a Ufa winger or two and defender to give our prospects some breathing room... That's all I can expect really.

If he moves a bunch of big assets for a Faulk that's a mistake. Ristolainen is a good target but he CANT sell low on the assets he gives up. The org can't afford another Eberle or Hall or Reinhart trade again.

I feel like, if we keep our core, but somehow manage to get a top 4 puckmoving D-man without giving away Klefbom or Nurse, then it is a win. That's all we need. Also, maybe a top six forward. 1 top six forward one top 4 puckmover and thats a win. We don't need to go all in on a Carlson or Karlsson.
 

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For now. Needs are fluid. Bear could be a regular in a season's time while Sekera and Russell will be at the end of thel ine and then we'll be looking for LHD.



What does that even mean?



I'd rather let it ride and miss the playoffs than lose a trade that ultimately hinders our ability to actually compete in the long run.

My mistake. What I mean't was Ty Smith's numbers in the WHL.

I don't know. I feel as if we should not go all in, but we should get a top six forward and 1 puckmoving d-man. Even Mike Green
 

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I feel like, if we keep our core, but somehow manage to get a top 4 puckmoving D-man without giving away Klefbom or Nurse, then it is a win. That's all we need. Also, maybe a top six forward. 1 top six forward one top 4 puckmover and thats a win. We don't need to go all in on a Carlson or Karlsson.

Sure, it'd be great to land a top 4 RHD without giving up an asset, but that's not realistic given the cap situation. So the question becomes: is this a need that needs to be met at all costs? Me, i'd rather they run with a hopefully healthy group of Klef/Lars/Nurse/Sekera and look at a Cody Franson-type player to fill in as a PP specialist.
 
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I’d rather keep the pick. I trust the scouting more than I used to. Other areas of the management team...not as much.
If the asking price is set at the moon, circle back in November/December. If Buffalo is flat out of the gate again...I’ll bet Risto could be had for a lot less. (Since the team will need a ‘shock’ trade to get them going) Chia needs to win a trade! No more charity trades!!!
 

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With Statsny's departure in St. Louis they are not overly strong at center.

With Pietrangelo (RD) and Bouwmeester (LD), Parayako (RD) has his spot on the 2nd unit power-play (9 of his 35 points were on the PP).

I think St. Louis is shaping up to be a good trade partner.

Is there something around Nuge and Parayako that could work for both teams to fill a need (C/RD)

Spit balling and curious on feedback/other scenarios that may work.....

Nuge (6M) and Kelf (4.167) = (10.167M)
for
Parayko (5.5) and Sobotka (3.5) = (9M)


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Cheers,
 

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The same people who turned so fast on Davidson are the ones acting like Benning is anything more than filler at this point. Picking up secondary assists while Mcdavid/Drais create a goal on their own isn't exactly showing offensive promise. The guy is Corey Potter level of a player but because he's young and signed with us people seem to have this weird obsession of pretending he's good or more importantly that he wasn't absolute garbage this last year.
The term sophomore slump exists for a reason. Not the biggest fan but not absurd to think he can bounce back to his rookie season level of play
 
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Our need is on the right side, however. Ty Smith, also, does not seem as good as his number. Regardless, none of these players will help us next season. Are all you guys really willing to stay another summer out of the playoffs?
If we are talking just best puck moving D, Ty Smith is probably top 3 in this draft in that category.

I also think people are unrealistic in there desire for RHD, generally speaking most teams aren't able to balance their rosters with 3 LHD and 3 RHD, most teams are skewed to having more LHD, if we end up with 4 LHD and 2 RHD, that is a perfectly fine state of affairs, we should fully expect to have atleast one LHD playing the right hand side. There simply isn't enough quality RHD to go around. Ty Smith and most of the other d-men in this draft are 2-3 years out from being able to make the NHL on a permanent basis, given that we have both Sekera and Russell's contracts end in 3 years time we'll have spots opening up on our LHD side.
 
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A successful off-season for the team is likely a failure for Chia if he wants to keep his job. I expect him to make some bonehead move that screws us over to delay his inevitable firing by a season. I expect one or more of Nuge, Larsson, Klefbom, Sekera, or one of the promising kids (Bear) to be sacrificed.
 
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