Prospect Info: [Official] 2016 Draft Thread V.3

[Backlund]

Keller or Nylander at 6 is who I'm hoping for, assuming the draft pans out as expected. If we take Brown or Jost without moving back I'll lose a lot of faith in our management and scouts.

 

[Tkachuk Norris]

Nope. Y'all are wrong. Logan Brown is every bit as good a prospect as Nylander and Keller. Pretty sure if you take their combined rankings from ISS, CSS, Buttons, Cosentino and McKenzies, then he is highest. Don't think there is one major publication that has Brown outside the top ten. He's still definitely an option.

Saying we would be drafting him for size is an addmittance you've never seen him play. The guy is freakishly skilled.

 

[King In The North]

Jost really? I would not be disappointed if they took him at 6th.

 

[Ace Rimmer]

Nope. Y'all are wrong. Logan Brown is every bit as good a prospect as Nylander and Keller. Pretty sure if you take their combined rankings from ISS, CSS, Buttons, Cosentino and McKenzies, then he is highest. Don't think there is one major publication that has Brown outside the top ten. He's still definitely an option.

Saying we would be drafting him for size is an addmittance you've never seen him play. The guy is freakishly skilled.

Nope.

ISS: Nylander (6) Brown (7) Keller (12)
CSS: Nylander (3) Brown (7) Keller (9)
TSN: Nylander (7) Keller (8) Brown (10)
McKeen's: Nylander (6) Brown (9) Keller (11)
Button: Keller (6) Brown (7) Nylander (10)
Future Considerations: Keller (7) Nylander (8) Brown (12)
THN: Nylander (7) Keller (12) Brown (14)
Hockey Prospect: Brown (7) Keller (9) Nylander (12)

Averages:

Nylander - 7.375
Brown - 9.125
Keller - 9.25

 

[theIceWookie]

How is it laughable when legitimate scouting lists such as ISS, McKeen's, 2 guys at NHL.com have him listed outside the top 10?

You could say it is debatable for sure but the only thing that is laughable is your assertation that your opinion matters more than people who are paid to make these lists.

Even McKenzie's list having him at 8 shows that top 10 is debatable as there are clearly NHL scouts that have him outside the top 10. Are those scouts now laughable as well?

Well those 2 guys at NHL.com aren't legitimate scouting sources. They're paid NHL staff bloggers who publish mocks, that's all.

ISS and McKeen's are legit, though both have their...weaknesses.

 

[Johnny Hoxville]

Nope.

ISS: Nylander (6) Brown (7) Keller (12)
CSS: Nylander (3) Brown (7) Keller (9)
TSN: Nylander (7) Keller (8) Brown (10)
McKeen's: Nylander (6) Brown (9) Keller (11)
Button: Keller (6) Brown (7) Nylander (10)
Future Considerations: Keller (7) Nylander (8) Brown (12)
THN: Nylander (7) Keller (12) Brown (14)
Hockey Prospect: Brown (7) Keller (9) Nylander (12)

Averages:

Nylander - 7.375
Brown - 9.125
Keller - 9.25

This actually interests me greatly.

Now watch we draft Chychrun.

 

[Tkachuk Norris]

The guy from McKeens said if Juolevi is on the board the Flames should take him without thinking. He compared him to Lidstrom because he never makes a bad play. He's an elite skater. He's weak physically but that's common for 18 year old Scandanavian players. And he's 6'2 so it's not like he's small.

He said if we pick Juolevi we have another future #1 D. He said he's the 4th best player in the draft. Said he doesn't ever know when a draft eligible player was the #1 D on a WJC winner. Also, He outplayed Tkachuk at both the memorial cup and WJC when the competition got tougher.

Wasn't as high on Sergachyev. Said he tailed off at the end of the season. Wasn't as high on Logan Brown either. Could be a superstar, could be Joe Colbourne. It's up to him. Both guys have the tools to be special, just haven't put it together consistently.

He also said Michael McLeod was one of the best players in the draft... Better than Dubois.

My take from it is that he prefers consistency and polish (McCleod, Juolevi) over tools (Brown, Sergachyev, Dubois)

That said defence is where polish and consistency are the most important. If Juolevi's going to be a number one D like Brodie, maybe he is the best pick?

 

[King In The North]

I'm still on board with taking a defenseman, and I've started to favour Juolevi more as well. Not like Lidstrom was physically gifted either

 

[Kranix]

The guy from McKeens said if Juolevi is on the board the Flames should take him without thinking. He compared him to Lidstrom because he never makes a bad play. He's an elite skater. He's weak physically but that's common for 18 year old Scandanavian players. And he's 6'2 so it's not like he's small.

He said if we pick Juolevi we have another future #1 D. He said he's the 4th best player in the draft. Said he doesn't ever know when a draft eligible player was the #1 D on a WJC winner. Also, He outplayed Tkachuk at both the memorial cup and WJC when the competition got tougher.

Wasn't as high on Sergachyev. Said he tailed off at the end of the season. Wasn't as high on Logan Brown either. Could be a superstar, could be Joe Colbourne. It's up to him. Both guys have the tools to be special, just haven't put it together consistently.

He also said Michael McLeod was one of the best players in the draft... Better than Dubois.

My take from it is that he prefers consistency and polish (McCleod, Juolevi) over tools (Brown, Sergachyev, Dubois)

That said defence is where polish and consistency are the most important. If Juolevi's going to be a number one D like Brodie, maybe he is the best pick?

If Juolevi is that good, the Oilers are taking him.

 

[King In The North]

If Juolevi is that good, the Oilers are taking him.

They need forward depth for the Xth year in a row...

 

[Rangediddy]

The guy from McKeens said if Juolevi is on the board the Flames should take him without thinking. He compared him to Lidstrom because he never makes a bad play. He's an elite skater. He's weak physically but that's common for 18 year old Scandanavian players. And he's 6'2 so it's not like he's small.

He said if we pick Juolevi we have another future #1 D. He said he's the 4th best player in the draft. Said he doesn't ever know when a draft eligible player was the #1 D on a WJC winner. Also, He outplayed Tkachuk at both the memorial cup and WJC when the competition got tougher.

Wasn't as high on Sergachyev. Said he tailed off at the end of the season. Wasn't as high on Logan Brown either. Could be a superstar, could be Joe Colbourne. It's up to him. Both guys have the tools to be special, just haven't put it together consistently.

He also said Michael McLeod was one of the best players in the draft... Better than Dubois.

My take from it is that he prefers consistency and polish (McCleod, Juolevi) over tools (Brown, Sergachyev, Dubois)

That said defence is where polish and consistency are the most important. If Juolevi's going to be a number one D like Brodie, maybe he is the best pick?

I'm just hoping we make that deal for 3 so we don't have to stress about who the right pick is at 6.

Seems like it's a crapshoot of players. I've literally been all over the place in who I wanted and who I thought could be available. PLD, Tkachuk, Nylander, Brown, Chychrun, Juolevi. Don't think I'd complain over anyone but it makes me nervous that anyone we don't pick becomes an elite player that we missed out on.

 

[Tkachuk Norris]

Yep oilers need 3 more top 6 PP specialist forwards before they take a D. He's left handed! Left handed D are not a need

 

[Tkachuk Norris]

I'm just hoping we make that deal for 3 so we don't have to stress about who the right pick is at 6.

Seems like it's a crapshoot of players. I've literally been all over the place in who I wanted and who I thought could be available. PLD, Tkachuk, Nylander, Brown, Chychrun, Juolevi. Don't think I'd complain over anyone but it makes me nervous that anyone we don't pick becomes an elite player that we missed out on.

I agree. I could care less, at 6 we get a good player. At 3 we get a great player in a huge area of need.

 

[Flames Fanatic]

At this point realistically if we get any of Matthews, Laine, Pulju, Dubios, Tkachuk, Nylander, Keller or Brown I'm content.

Considering that is 8 different guys, I like my odds at 6.

Wouldn't be too annoyed with a defenseman. Actually, I take that back, I would be very annoyed, but BPA rules I guess. Sergachev would be my preference if we had to take one.

 

[Rangediddy]

At this point realistically if we get any of Matthews, Laine, Pulju, Dubios, Tkachuk, Nylander, Keller or Brown I'm content.

Considering that is 8 different guys, I like my odds at 6.

Wouldn't be too annoyed with a defenseman. Actually, I take that back, I would be very annoyed, but BPA rules I guess. Sergachev would be my preference if we had to take one.

In what world do we realistically have a shot at Matthews or Laine?

 

[Flames Fanatic]

In what world do we realistically have a shot at Matthews or Laine?

Just purely hypothetically if we traded up sort of thing.

Just saying from a "realistic" standpoint, I sure as **** won't be unhappy if we pick them somehow. Realistic to my happiness, not realistic to actually getting in reality.

Dunno if that made it better or worse

 

[Rangediddy]

Just purely hypothetically if we traded up sort of thing.

Just saying from a "realistic" standpoint, I sure as **** won't be unhappy if we pick them somehow. Realistic to my happiness, not realistic to actually getting in reality.

Dunno if that made it better or worse

I dunno either haha

 

[Flames Fanatic]

I dunno either haha

Lets just change it to that is a list of guys I certainly won't be unhappy if we draft them at 6, regardless of the likelihood of several of them being available.

 

[Rangediddy]

Lets just change it to that is a list of guys I certainly won't be unhappy if we draft them at 6, regardless of the likelihood of several of them being available.

Deal

 

[ChicagoBullsFan]

I agree. I could care less, at 6 we get a good player. At 3 we get a great player in a huge area of need.

How likely is that Flames trades with CBJ and pick 3rd overall Finnish RW prospect code-name JP.
Yeah i mean Jesse Puljujärvi your team needs right handed shot winger. And Pulju is rightie

 

[King In The North]

How likely is that Flames trades with CBJ and pick 3rd overall Finnish RW prospect code-name JP.
Yeah i mean Jesse Puljujärvi your team needs right handed shot winger. And Pulju is rightie

Jarmo wouldn't trade it. We'd all be over the moon.

6th, Backlund, a 2nd for 3rd overall? Even I don't think he'd accept then.

 

[Rangediddy]

How likely is that Flames trades with CBJ and pick 3rd overall Finnish RW prospect code-name JP.
Yeah i mean Jesse Puljujärvi your team needs right handed shot winger. And Pulju is rightie

I actually think it's a coin flip at this point.

this could be the last piece for the franchise's rebuild. Treliving just has to get a little cute to make it work while still landing a starting goalie.

 

[King In The North]

It could work if all it takes is a 2nd rounder for a goalie. Like MAF, who is older, history of injuries and will be vulnerable to the expansion draft but is still a starting goalie and our best option.

Ben Bishop is going to cost a lot and would very likely stop us from getting the 3rd.

 

[Fig]

How likely is that Flames trades with CBJ and pick 3rd overall Finnish RW prospect code-name JP.
Yeah i mean Jesse Puljujärvi your team needs right handed shot winger. And Pulju is rightie

The only way we trade for 3OA without being bent over is if we blackmail him or something underhanded IMO. I think the cost will be too rich for us. I really doubt we get it. The only reason why we wonder is because Treliving is a magic man.

I'm also starting to think in a few years, we'll notice there will be many gems discovered in the 2nd and 3rd rounds of this draft even though many have been saying the talent tapers off fast. Whole rounds of prospects written off prior to being drafted might all play with a chip on their shoulder.

 

[ChicagoBullsFan]

Jarmo wouldn't trade it. We'd all be over the moon.

6th, Backlund, a 2nd for 3rd overall? Even I don't think he'd accept then.

Yeah Jarmo wouldn't trade free or too easily that 3rd overall pick.
What i'm followed Finnish media few last days Jarmo has serious cap-hit issues of his team.

And he must trade at least Fedor Tyutin and Scott Hartnell to get cap space re-sign Seth Jones.
3rd overall pick is bait in that trade. Also CBJ needs 1st line centre so they aren't necessarily taking Puljujärvi.