Blue Jays Discussion: Off-season Edition 4.0 - Steve Pearce signs for 2/$12.5

[Hoverhand]

Stroman is significantly more valuable than both of them.

I agree that's why I wouldn't do it.

 

[Leaftors]

what? Barney replacement? Are we talking about Steve Pearce?

Barney is still here, arbitration eligible. Pearce could be the bakcup 2B in the sense that he shifts to 2nd if Travis gets hurt and can play some games there to give Travis a rest, but he should be mostly playing elsewhere and not be sitting on the bench like Barney would be.

Didnt barney play a lot this year? Maybe im selling pearce short, i just meant pearce will likely fill holes everywhere on the diamond, ala barney

 

[Garlando]

Fangraphs article about the Rockies situation. He feels the Rockies should push their chips in further and sign EE and then move Blackmon for SP help and have Desmond in the OF.

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/lets-get-weird-ian-desmond-is-a-rockie/

 

[GoonieFace]

I love how Dexter Fowler bet on himself and turned into Ian Desmond, that's some voodoo witchcraft

And thats why I would give him 5yr/$200m, perhaps he can turn Justin Smoak into Rizzo.

 

[Patmac40]

I love how Dexter Fowler bet on himself and turned into Ian Desmond, that's some voodoo witchcraft

Has science gone too far?

 

[hockeywiz542]

i love how dexter fowler bet on himself and turned into ian desmond, that's some voodoo witchcraft

 

[Canada4Gold]

Didnt barney play a lot this year? Maybe im selling pearce short, i just meant pearce will likely fill holes everywhere on the diamond, ala barney

Barney played more than he should have because of Travis being hurt both to start and to finish the year but he's no more than a backup 2nd baseman with the ability to play some 3rd.

Pearce's offensively ability is good enough he should be playing everyday. The concern is can he stay healthy to do so, he hasn't played more than 102 games in his career(but was mostly incorrectly platooned early in his career), but he's a much better player than Barney.

 

[Leaftors]

Berney played more than he should have because of Travis being hurt both to start and to finish the year but he's no more than a backup 2nd baseman with the ability to play some 3rd.

Pearce's offensively ability is good enough he should be playing everyday. The concern is can he stay healthy to do so, he hasn't played more than 102 games in his career(but was mostly incorrectly platooned early in his career), but he's a much better player than Barney.

I completely agree, especially with the last point.

 

[hockeywiz542]

 

[ShaneFalco]

 

[Shimso]

Bringing back Bautista would be perfectly fine.

Steamer actually likes him a lot more for 2017 (WRC+ 128, 2.9 WAR) than they do Edwin (WRC+ 125, 2.3 WAR)

I honestly feel like JB will be better and have better value than EE going forwards.

I'm surprised how childish the O's have been to him; it's one thing to say that off-the-record but when its the GM himself saying it...

Apparently the market for EE is falling through FAST

I really didn't think it'd fall THIS far. I hope we can get in on this...

 

[ShaneFalco]

The Blue Jays also spoke with catcher Chris Iannetta’s representatives today, FOX Sports’ Ken Rosenthal reports (Twitter link). The Mariners declined their $4.25MM club option on the veteran catcher following a season that saw Iannetta hit .210/.303/.329 over 338 PA, eventually ceding regular duty to Mike Zunino in Seattle. The Jays are in need of a backup catcher for Russell Martin after parting ways with Josh Thole and Dioner Navarro testing the open market.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2016/...rays-erasmo-bautista-iannetta-cashman-os.html

 

[Muston Atthews]

Why bump Travis off? He's played 30 some odd games, so he can fill in on off days...

Travis is probably one of our biggest MLB trade pieces. Was just wondering how well Pearce plays the 2b. I love Travis

 

[hockeywiz542]

 

[Canada4Gold]

Travis is probably one of our biggest MLB trade pieces. Was just wondering how well Pearce plays the 2b. I love Travis

Travis is one of our biggest hey you're really good and you're gonna help us win pieces.

Pearce can play 1st and OF both are which are needs, not sure why you'd want to even consider trading Travis because he could also play 2nd, he already fits into 2 areas of need.

 

[hockeywiz542]

 

[BAM]

I wonder what it would cost to get J.D Martinez

 

[no13matssundin]

So I said "barring a miracle" we wouldn't get EE back... but with his market gone, this is a real possibility. Miracles do happen! Jays need to swoop in here. I never thought we would get the chance to get both EE & Bautista back at reasonable prices, but thanks to all the madness out there with Desmond et al, there is!

Now if your lineup looks like this:

EE - DH
Bautista - RF (ugh, he has to go somewhere)
Morales - 1B
Pearce - LF
Tulo - SS
Donaldon - 3B
Martin - C
Travis - 2B
Pillar - CF

Even without Fowler, I ain't complaining. That's a spicy meatball of a lineup, even with injury prone Pearce. I can live with this because it would allow us to compete against the BoSox & O's. Here's hoping the market continues to fall apart and the Jays magically get lucky!

 

[no13matssundin]

Also, I completely agree with everyone in here: EE needs to fire his agent today. It's clear the guy misread the market and his client. EE wants to stay but he's out millions due to the hard ball approach that obviously isn't EE.

 

[Jozay]

I wonder what it would cost to get J.D Martinez

JD would be huge. But i wouldnt want him unless he came with an extension. He probably lost value cause of the new cba.

 

[GoonieFace]

Also, I completely agree with everyone in here: EE needs to fire his agent today. It's clear the guy misread the market and his client. EE wants to stay but he's out millions due to the hard ball approach that obviously isn't EE.

Or all these supposed reports are garbage and pure speculation. You cant really blame anyone for trying to maximize his value, thats why they chose to test free agency. In the end, he will get something similar to the 4yr/$80mil.

 

[BlueForever]

So I said "barring a miracle" we wouldn't get EE back... but with his market gone, this is a real possibility. Miracles do happen! Jays need to swoop in here. I never thought we would get the chance to get both EE & Bautista back at reasonable prices, but thanks to all the madness out there with Desmond et al, there is!

Now if your lineup looks like this:

EE - DH
Bautista - RF (ugh, he has to go somewhere)
Morales - 1B
Pearce - LF
Tulo - SS
Donaldon - 3B
Martin - C
Travis - 2B
Pillar - CF

Even without Fowler, I ain't complaining. That's a spicy meatball of a lineup, even with injury prone Pearce. I can live with this because it would allow us to compete against the BoSox & O's. Here's hoping the market continues to fall apart and the Jays magically get lucky!

I think based on the signings we have made already, getting both back will be impossible unless Atkins and Shapiro can go back to ownership and state that things didn't go as they thought. That there isn't a market for EE and Bautista, and that will a few extra bucks we can keep team intact from last season along with the left handed enforcements at a cheaper cost then previously thought.

Highly unlikely though.

 

[DrunkUncleDenis]

Hypothetical:

would you take EE and Revere, or Bautista and Fowler?

 

[metafour]

Hypothetical:

would you take EE and Revere, or Bautista and Fowler?

Seriously?

 

[SeaOfBlue]

So Jimenez to AAA with Ohlman then. Maybe next year A.J... At least he's the 3rd catcher again.