Speculation: Off-Season 2018
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Armourboy
Hey! You suck!
Yeah agree, I'm no longer sold one the big 4 concept and would trade one for a top line forward in a heartbeat.
FilthyScoresberg
Memphis 901
I hope that it happens. Could you imagine Forsberg on a line with tavares? Good god. Forsberg would for sure be over a PPG player with him. Johansen would be arguably one of the best 2c’s out there. We’d come out of the gates screaming.
Armourboy
Hey! You suck!
Outside of Malkin it would be pretty tough to beat, maybe Backstrom as well.
Just for fun...
Using the numbers off CapFriendly, they're showing a total cap hit for next season of $67.5M. New deals are needed for Salomaki (RFA), Hartman (RFA), Hartnell (UFA), Fisher (UFA), Emelin (UFA), Saros (RFA). I believe salary cap projections for next year are in the $78-82M range so let's use the low end, $78M, just to be safe. That means there's currently $10.5M of room under the cap.
Forsberg-Johansen-Arvidsson (all signed long term)
Fiala-Turris-Smith (all signed, Fiala one more year on his ELC)
Tolvanen-Bonino-Jarnkrok (all signed, Tolvanen starting his ELC)
Watson-Sissons-xxxx
xxxx-xxxx
Josi-Ellis (Ellis one more year at $2.5M)
Subban-Ekholm
Irwin-Weber
Bitetto
Rinne
xxxx
So, we need three forwards and one goalie signed, minimum. We have $10.5M with which to do it. Assume Hartman is one of those forwards and signs for around $2M (that's a wild guess - I have no idea what he'll command but he's an RFA and shouldn't be TOO expensive). That leaves $8.5M. Put a couple of million toward Saros, too. Sign Salomaki as one of the depth forwards.
We're probably looking at around $5M in cap space at that point. The issue is, it's depending on Tolvanen to make the team. Maybe he will. Maybe he'll be awesome. But maybe he'll need a little time in Milwaukee to get used to the physical grind. Forsberg did and it didn't hurt his game any. So I hope the team will use $3-4M and pick up a veteran third-line forward to play with Bonino and Jarnkrok as extra depth. Maybe that's Hartnell? I don't know.
Then Rinne's contract comes off the books before Ellis' extension will kick in. Assuming Rinne re-signs at a lower rate moving into a 1A/1B setup as Saros emerges (hopefully), that might cover the cost of Ellis' raise. But we also have Fiala coming off his ELC and he's going to need a raise, too, so any veteran depth that costs more than a couple million needs to be a one-year deal.
Using the numbers off CapFriendly, they're showing a total cap hit for next season of $67.5M. New deals are needed for Salomaki (RFA), Hartman (RFA), Hartnell (UFA), Fisher (UFA), Emelin (UFA), Saros (RFA). I believe salary cap projections for next year are in the $78-82M range so let's use the low end, $78M, just to be safe. That means there's currently $10.5M of room under the cap.
Forsberg-Johansen-Arvidsson (all signed long term)
Fiala-Turris-Smith (all signed, Fiala one more year on his ELC)
Tolvanen-Bonino-Jarnkrok (all signed, Tolvanen starting his ELC)
Watson-Sissons-xxxx
xxxx-xxxx
Josi-Ellis (Ellis one more year at $2.5M)
Subban-Ekholm
Irwin-Weber
Bitetto
Rinne
xxxx
So, we need three forwards and one goalie signed, minimum. We have $10.5M with which to do it. Assume Hartman is one of those forwards and signs for around $2M (that's a wild guess - I have no idea what he'll command but he's an RFA and shouldn't be TOO expensive). That leaves $8.5M. Put a couple of million toward Saros, too. Sign Salomaki as one of the depth forwards.
We're probably looking at around $5M in cap space at that point. The issue is, it's depending on Tolvanen to make the team. Maybe he will. Maybe he'll be awesome. But maybe he'll need a little time in Milwaukee to get used to the physical grind. Forsberg did and it didn't hurt his game any. So I hope the team will use $3-4M and pick up a veteran third-line forward to play with Bonino and Jarnkrok as extra depth. Maybe that's Hartnell? I don't know.
Then Rinne's contract comes off the books before Ellis' extension will kick in. Assuming Rinne re-signs at a lower rate moving into a 1A/1B setup as Saros emerges (hopefully), that might cover the cost of Ellis' raise. But we also have Fiala coming off his ELC and he's going to need a raise, too, so any veteran depth that costs more than a couple million needs to be a one-year deal.
glenngineer
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I feel confident in our roster right now but if it means adding JT and you lose Ellis, so be it. We have two number 1 D in PK and Josi. Ekholm isn't far behind. JT is one of the top 10 players in the world. He upgrades our top line. It would push RJ down to the second line to play with Fiala and Smith which isn't a bad thing. You then have Turris and Bonino as your bottom 6 centers. If you're saucy, you move one of them to gain some salary cap back. Heck, move one of them, sign JT and re-sign Ellis with the money saved from moving Bones or Turris.
This is a no brainer if JT wants to sign here.
Enoch
This is my boomstick
Our weakness in the playoffs were:
Rinne
Josi/Ellis
2nd line
I think you can look at those things and try to improve as you see fit....
If that means moving Ellis, finding a quicker partner for the top 4. Fine.
If that means adding a forward and moving somone off that 2nd line. Fine.
However, this is a great team. Tweaks or nothing is what I expect.
Rinne
Josi/Ellis
2nd line
I think you can look at those things and try to improve as you see fit....
If that means moving Ellis, finding a quicker partner for the top 4. Fine.
If that means adding a forward and moving somone off that 2nd line. Fine.
However, this is a great team. Tweaks or nothing is what I expect.
Armourboy
Hey! You suck!
I look for Poile to pick up another forward somewhere, either to play in the 2nd and push Smith down or play on the 3rd and push Hartman down. Salomaki will be the scratch and that leaves room to move Tolvanen up and down if you need to.
Bjornar Moxnes
Stem Rødt og Felix Unger Sörum
Keith that run was better than every single Dman we've ever iced in history lol. Hjalmarsson was the league's best defensive player that season not Vlasic, and Seabrook was still a poor man's version of Weber that played amazing.
Saw this on another team's thread and think it's an good observation:
A few observations from these playoffs:
1) Goaltending must be solid (We didn't get this from Rinne)
2) Grit still matters (We didn't have nearly enough of this, which is why we looked weak, especially along the boards and got easily manhandled it seemed. Got some grit back when we put Hartnell in.)
3) Skating and endurance are a given (We didn't skate hard or fast enough as we needed, especially to go after the puck to win puck battles and maintain puck possession).
4) Puck battles and forechecking set teams apart (Think this was our weakest part of our game. We weren't as strong on our forchecking or winning puck battles and got out worked, out played alot. Our guys aren't very big/strong. Thinking we need some bigger bodies or our guys to bulk up some as we weren't as strong as needed to out hustle or muscle our opponents as needed to get the puck, keep the puck, or get the puck out of our end. I would be telling our guys to hit the gym/weight room this off season if I was the coach.)
A few observations from these playoffs:
1) Goaltending must be solid (We didn't get this from Rinne)
2) Grit still matters (We didn't have nearly enough of this, which is why we looked weak, especially along the boards and got easily manhandled it seemed. Got some grit back when we put Hartnell in.)
3) Skating and endurance are a given (We didn't skate hard or fast enough as we needed, especially to go after the puck to win puck battles and maintain puck possession).
4) Puck battles and forechecking set teams apart (Think this was our weakest part of our game. We weren't as strong on our forchecking or winning puck battles and got out worked, out played alot. Our guys aren't very big/strong. Thinking we need some bigger bodies or our guys to bulk up some as we weren't as strong as needed to out hustle or muscle our opponents as needed to get the puck, keep the puck, or get the puck out of our end. I would be telling our guys to hit the gym/weight room this off season if I was the coach.)
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Gnashville
HFBoards Hall of Famer
Any player upset at him breaking a promise and signing Tavares would need his head examined. He makes this team much much better and opens up a huge Cup window. They would get over it at the 1st practice.
Bjornar Moxnes
Stem Rødt og Felix Unger Sörum
Seeing how Josi and Ellis were bad for the entirety of the playoffs while Rinne at least had some awesome games, I'd put Josi-Ellis as our main weakness. Heck even the 2nd line was debatable worse than Rinne. In the absolute final game though yes Rinne was definitely the weakest by far, but when you look at the playoffs as a whole, I really think that's debatable.
Agreed about Tavares. I don't want to abandon the big 4 D so I think the move is to send Turris back to NY for a signed Tavares at the 11th hour if it becomes clear to the Isles they're not going to be able to retain JT. Turris is a waste of talent and cap space in a third line role in Nashville, especially when you already have Bonino. On the Isles side, going forward with Turris and Barzal as your top 2 centers isn't the worst thing in the world.
Porter Stoutheart
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I feel like I am missing part of the premise here. Why would we have to lose Ellis again? Do you mean down the road after his current deal expires?
In the immediate term, the only obstacle to Tavares signing with us is - Tavares wanting to sign with us. Unless he hates Ryan Ellis for some reason (2009 OHL playoffs???) then I don't think there is any reason to tie them together in this. If Tavares wants to be a Pred, then we basically have the cap space already, and/or if we wanted a little more breathing room on that front Ellis would not be the most obvious choice to sacrifice to create it?
Even down the road a bit, I would just put Rinne's money onto Ellis for his next contract. Still probably expose him to Seattle or possibly make a trade involving him before the expansion draft... but that's related to expansion not to Tavares.
JustaFinnishGuy
Joonas Donskoi avi but not a SEA fan ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
This is being discussed:
To Nashville:
Skinner + Faulk + 2019 1st
To Carolina:
Rinne + Subban
Said a HFboards CAR fan. No idea where he got this trade classified as 'this is being discussed' but initial reaction is hell no.
Our best D and #1 goalie for help on the wings and a Bad replacement for Subban accompanied by an unknown commodity who probably won't help us win anything immediately.
To Nashville:
Skinner + Faulk + 2019 1st
To Carolina:
Rinne + Subban
Said a HFboards CAR fan. No idea where he got this trade classified as 'this is being discussed' but initial reaction is hell no.
Our best D and #1 goalie for help on the wings and a Bad replacement for Subban accompanied by an unknown commodity who probably won't help us win anything immediately.
NoNecksCurse
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that's tempting if we are wanting to free up a lot of salary. 16 million!
value wise, we lose but i am of the belief that rinne is on the downhill after his playoff performance. we could always flip a 1st. either way, no way that trade happens.
value wise, we lose but i am of the belief that rinne is on the downhill after his playoff performance. we could always flip a 1st. either way, no way that trade happens.
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Gnashville
HFBoards Hall of Famer
Terrible trade for US and sets the team back 5 years and effectively closes a Cup window.
Datsyukian Deke
The Captain is Home!!
He definitely has a lot of miles on him, in my opinion. It has always puzzled me as to why there never seems to be a backup they stick with to possibly take over for him when the time comes, either by trade, performance, etc.
Saros is a capable goalie, no doubt, but it just seemed they always had someone waiting in the wings whenever ready.
Mason for Vokoun
Ellis for Mason
Pekka for Ellis
That person is hallucinating and should be given medical attention not having their silly rumor propogated
JAMES TITTLE
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predfan24
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This is not a rumor. The poster who posted that previously made a thread in the Trade and Rumors section proposing this trade. There is no inside information here.
Armourboy
Hey! You suck!
Armourboy
Hey! You suck!
Sabres fan here. And I’ve noticed the chatter about Tavares. But if you didn’t get him, do you think the organization would be interested in a guy like O’Reilly? And if so what would be willing to give up. Looking for any position (I’d prefer a young left winger). Something around Fiala?
Also, I know the contract seems a bit much, but for a low end 1C, $7.5M is pretty fair in my estimation.
Thanks in advance.
Also, I know the contract seems a bit much, but for a low end 1C, $7.5M is pretty fair in my estimation.
Thanks in advance.
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