GDT: OCT 21 - Minnesota @ Calgary - 8:00 PM MT - CBC

JPeeper

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Monahan only had 8 points in his first 24 games last season. Look where he finished.

Backlund only had 7 points in his first 19 games last season. Look where he finished.

Not worried. At all

That's not my point, my point is that people are shit talking Bennett (80% of it deserved), Brouwer (including me), our 4th line (me a lot), and especially Monahan a lot, but no one is calling out Backlund when he has been fairly brutal this year offensively.

I see countless posts about Monahan not creating anything, yet he is the only one who can actually score, and Backlund is coming out scott free through these first 8 games. I think Frolik and Tkachuk have been way better than Backlund has this year.

I'm sure he'll turn it around too, but without his line producing we are a 1 line team right now.
 

JGaudreau

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We already know what Backlund tops out at so there's not much to say. 2 way pk specialist with little offense, 2nd/3rd line career player. The issue is Bennett was projected as our franchise #1 and is looking to be a bottom 6 player. Monahan, he doesn't generate and never has. He finishes, big difference between a generator like Gaudreau or Tanguay and a finisher like Monahan or Iginla. Backlund's game varies little to none, even at his worst he still plays close to his regular self.

Monahan and Gaudreau have larger swings in quality of play but atleast they have a higher ceiling, our problem is a lot of our guys have a low ceiling. Ferland, Lazar, Bennett, Versteeg, Frolik, Backlund and Brouwer all have very low skill ceilings unfortunately. None of them can create much gap or scoring chances in the o-zone. Makes it really easy for the opposition to just wait for Gaudreau, we are similar to Edmonton in that if our #1 offensive player is shutdown there's no other skill to generate good chances. When it's not Johnny setting up a shot all we do is fire telegraphed perimeter shots into the crest. Bring on Janko and the bread eater.

They need to stop thinking asset management and just let the coach ice the best lineup regardless of cap hit or lack thereof. Sit 7 million if we have to, we need to take the pressure off Johnny.
 
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MonyontheMoney

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We already know what Backlund tops out at so there's not much to say. 2 way pk specialist with little offense, 2nd/3rd line career player. The issue is Bennett was projected as our franchise #1 and is looking to be a bottom 6 player. Monahan, he doesn't generate and never has. He finishes, big difference between a generator like Gaudreau or Tanguay and a finisher like Monahan or Iginla. Backlund's game varies little to none, even at his worst he still plays close to his regular self.

Monahan and Gaudreau have larger swings in quality of play but atleast they have a higher ceiling, our problem is a lot of our guys have a low ceiling. Ferland, Lazar, Bennett, Versteeg, Frolik, Backlund and Brouwer all have very low skill ceilings unfortunately. None of them can create much gap or scoring chances in the o-zone. Makes it really easy for the opposition to just wait for Gaudreau, we are similar to Edmonton in that if our #1 offensive player is shutdown there's no other skill to generate good chances. When it's not Johnny setting up a shot all we do is fire telegraphed perimeter shots into the crest. Bring on Janko and the bread eater.

They need to stop thinking asset management and just let the coach ice the best lineup regardless of cap hit or lack thereof. Sit 7 million if we have to, we need to take the pressure off Johnny.
Good god. I hate this site more and more everyday.
 
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JGaudreau

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You can't handle an opinion about a sports team huh, does a slight breeze make you run home crying? Better not read the newspaper or watch tv, there's opinions there too. Excuse me for taking my hockey opinion to a hockey FORUM, clearly I misunderstood the purpose of the site. There should just be a poll, yes I agree, no I don't disagree.
 
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Anglesmith

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Meh, the boys played well tonight (at least through 40 minutes).

All you can ask is that they play well. They probably deserved a better fate than being tied after two periods, but sometimes that happens. I emerge from this game feeling a lot better about the team than after last game. The sky isn't falling.
 
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We already know what Backlund tops out at so there's not much to say. 2 way pk specialist with little offense, 2nd/3rd line career player. The issue is Bennett was projected as our franchise #1 and is looking to be a bottom 6 player. Monahan, he doesn't generate and never has. He finishes, big difference between a generator like Gaudreau or Tanguay and a finisher like Monahan or Iginla. Backlund's game varies little to none, even at his worst he still plays close to his regular self.

Monahan and Gaudreau have larger swings in quality of play but atleast they have a higher ceiling, our problem is a lot of our guys have a low ceiling. Ferland, Lazar, Bennett, Versteeg, Frolik, Backlund and Brouwer all have very low skill ceilings unfortunately. None of them can create much gap or scoring chances in the o-zone. Makes it really easy for the opposition to just wait for Gaudreau, we are similar to Edmonton in that if our #1 offensive player is shutdown there's no other skill to generate good chances. When it's not Johnny setting up a shot all we do is fire telegraphed perimeter shots into the crest. Bring on Janko and the bread eater.

They need to stop thinking asset management and just let the coach ice the best lineup regardless of cap hit or lack thereof. Sit 7 million if we have to, we need to take the pressure off Johnny.

Officially the worst take I've seen on HF.

Can't stop cringing at all the awful takes in this ONE single post.
 

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Gulu's system is very boring. If a team plays sound positionally it makes for very few quality chances on offense. Plus it seems as though he's taught them not to forecheck at all, but they're not really playing the trap either? The other teams seem to gain the zone with relative ease
 
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Flameshomer

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I would like to see something like this next game:

Tkachuk - Monahan - Gaudreau
Bennett - Backlund - Frolik
Lazar - Jankowski - jagr/ferland if injured
Versteeg - Stajan - Brouwer

Brodie- hamomic
Gio- Hamilton
Kulak - stone
 

Dertell

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I don't think the sky is falling. But this look like is a slightly below average team when we really shouldn't be. By "shouldn't be", I don't mean expectations but the moves they made and the resulting cap situation.

They can make simple, easy moves to improve this team quickly but I don't think they'll make them.
 
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viper0220

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Officially the worst take I've seen on HF.

Can't stop cringing at all the awful takes in this ONE single post.


If that is the worst you have seen on HF, than you need to come to HF more often and visit other threads for other teams and the General Hockey Discussion section.

The top part is something that is debatable but the rest of that post is pretty much bang on.

"We already know what Backlund tops out at so there's not much to say. 2 way pk specialist with little offense, 2nd/3rd line career player. The issue is Bennett was projected as our franchise #1 and is looking to be a bottom 6 player. Monahan, he doesn't generate and never has. He finishes, big difference between a generator like Gaudreau or Tanguay and a finisher like Monahan or Iginla. Backlund's game varies little to none, even at his worst he still plays close to his regular self."

Bolded part is not correct, Backlund is more than that and he has proven that. The underlined part, I agree with, Sam Bennett was projected to be the number #1 center and he is not looking good right now, this can all change but I don't blame anyone looking at that draft and being down because Nylander and Ehlers are better players right now, than Sam Bennett but that can change. the Italiced part, I somewhat disagree with, Monahan does not generate enough offence, he need to to generate more offence but he is a good player and a great finisher and he is underrated by some fans, having said that, watching Monahan play and than seeing Auston Matthews and Connor McDavid play, we can safely say that he is not a legit #1 center and won't win many championship alone.


"Monahan and Gaudreau have larger swings in quality of play but atleast they have a higher ceiling, our problem is a lot of our guys have a low ceiling. Ferland, Lazar, Bennett, Versteeg, Frolik, Backlund and Brouwer all have very low skill ceilings unfortunately. None of them can create much gap or scoring chances in the o-zone. Makes it really easy for the opposition to just wait for Gaudreau, we are similar to Edmonton in that if our #1 offensive player is shutdown there's no other skill to generate good chances. When it's not Johnny setting up a shot all we do is fire telegraphed perimeter shots into the crest. Bring on Janko and the bread eater."

The only thing that I don't like is including Backlund in the low ceiling category, other than Backlund and Bennett(for now) the rest of the players mentioned are a dime a dozen. Backlund is a good player, that makes players around him good and because of Backlund some players have had career years and have cashed in and sucked after taken off of Backlund's wing. The rest of the statement is correct. We shit on the Oilers for being a one line team, the Flames are the same to start off the season(this will hopefully/likely change) and Jankowski needs to be up with the big team.


"They need to stop thinking asset management and just let the coach ice the best lineup regardless of cap hit or lack thereof. Sit 7 million if we have to, we need to take the pressure off Johnny."

This is something that I totally agree with, we don't have our 1st Round pick this year(in a very good draft), the Flames should be doing everything to make sure that they are giving them selves the best opportunity to win and if that means sitting out Brouwer and Stajan at some point, so be it.
 
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DFF

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Gulu's system is very boring. If a team plays sound positionally it makes for very few quality chances on offense. Plus it seems as though he's taught them not to forecheck at all, but they're not really playing the trap either? The other teams seem to gain the zone with relative ease

I dont see them playing bad but I agreed the system is messed up.
Not sure if it's because we do not have the players to sustain the whole game or coaching

If this continues, I predict GG is gone by mid season. BT hs invested and bet heavily on this team. The other option is BT is gone by year end if they do not make the playoff.
 

DFF

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Do y'all think Bennett has any value left? His confidence is in a bad place and I just don't see how he is going to succeed on this team. His play is getting worse instead of better.

Yes he does, Baertschi got a 2nd. The Canucks fooled us on Shrinkaruk

I am sure some fools still believe they can turn Bennett into something
 
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DFF

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Wayyyyy to early to say something like this.


Yeah it's still a little bit early but I am just answering the question on Bennett's value.

It's only going down from here unless he can turn it around. It got to be miracle with this team now.
 

Johnny Hoxville

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We already know what Backlund tops out at so there's not much to say. 2 way pk specialist with little offense, 2nd/3rd line career player. The issue is Bennett was projected as our franchise #1 and is looking to be a bottom 6 player. Monahan, he doesn't generate and never has. He finishes, big difference between a generator like Gaudreau or Tanguay and a finisher like Monahan or Iginla. Backlund's game varies little to none, even at his worst he still plays close to his regular self.

Monahan and Gaudreau have larger swings in quality of play but atleast they have a higher ceiling, our problem is a lot of our guys have a low ceiling. Ferland, Lazar, Bennett, Versteeg, Frolik, Backlund and Brouwer all have very low skill ceilings unfortunately. None of them can create much gap or scoring chances in the o-zone. Makes it really easy for the opposition to just wait for Gaudreau, we are similar to Edmonton in that if our #1 offensive player is shutdown there's no other skill to generate good chances. When it's not Johnny setting up a shot all we do is fire telegraphed perimeter shots into the crest. Bring on Janko and the bread eater.

They need to stop thinking asset management and just let the coach ice the best lineup regardless of cap hit or lack thereof. Sit 7 million if we have to, we need to take the pressure off Johnny.

I actually mostly agree with you. I don’t believe you are slighting Backlund. The only thing keeping him from being an elite or true first line player is his offensive output, that’s a known fact. He’s an elite 2 way player, so I wouldn’t label him as just a regular 2nd or 3rd line guy because he takes shifts against opposing teams top players and wins the battle most nights so he’s not a typical 2nd/3rd liner.

Monahan doesn’t create a lot of offence, he’s more of a finisher, I agree with that. But I do think he’s Iginla like in that he’s a deceptively good set up man. I’ve seen just this past week him make several great passing plays from in close. One in particular he was the behind the net and put the puck right on the guys stick in front of the crease, it was beautiful. He’s never going to be Gaudreau or Tanguay, but he’s more than adequate.

And I pretty much agree about Bennett, to this point. I still think he has topline upside, but he’s playing like a bottom 6’er. That I can agree with, he needs to snap the heck out of it and soon, but he has topline skill and I’ve also seen flashes of it this season.
 
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viper0220

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Yeah it's still a little bit early but I am just answering the question on Bennett's value.

It's only going down from here unless he can turn it around. It got to be miracle with this team now.

Hopefully it does not go down hill, the organization really needs to get his confidence level up, play him on the wing, give a shit ton of PP time, make him a healthy scratch for a couple of games, talk to him, put him in a situation where he is comfortable, do something to get his confidence up.

This team can really benefit from bringing up Mark Jankowski, I don't why no one has asked this question to the GM and the coach.
 

viper0220

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Yeah it's still a little bit early but I am just answering the question on Bennett's value.

It's only going down from here unless he can turn it around. It got to be miracle with this team now.

Hopefully it does not go down hill, this organization really needs to get his confidence level up, put him on the wing, give him a shit load of PP time, make him a healthy scratch for a few games, give him good players to play with, talk to him, put him in a situation where he is comfortable, do something to get his confidence level up.

I don't think GG is the right coach for this team, I am not basing this off one game, this season or the last season but basing this off as a whole, he does not motivate players, he does not play to the strength of his team, some of his decisions are just awful.
 

tmurfin

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Slow start, as usual. I'm just happy we're 4-4, Smith can't steal em every night, nor should he, but he can hold us semi respectable until we inevitably get our shit together
 

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