Proposal: NY Islanders/Florida

Mal Reynolds

never goes smooth, how come it never goes smooth?
Sep 28, 2008
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Haven't posted a trade proposal here in many, many, MANY moons, so be kind :sarcasm:

This is the result of me mucking around on Capfriendly, trying to figure out a way out of the Islanders cap pickle... here's what I came up with

:isles:

Anton Stralman (D)

:panthers:

Johnny Boychuk (D)
Samuel Bolduc (D) *or other applicable sweetener*

Why the Islanders do it:

With the new Pulock deal, their 2nd buyout window opens within 48 hours or so, but the player they're buying out has to make $4M+... Buying out Boychuk or Ladd brings no real tangible cap relief. I suppose Leddy could work, but that buyout actually hurts them more in 2 years, which I'd tend to think is a no go. Plus, with the trade of Toews, he's a useful piece to keep.

Enter Stralman. His buyout penalties are as follows:

Years 1 and 2: $2.5M *3.5M in cap savings for Isles vs. keeping Boychuk*
Years 3 and 4: $1.5M

This probably clears enough space to get a new deal done for Barzal.

Why the Panthers do it:

They save over $3M in real dollars this year (as I assume Stralman's $1M signing bonus has already been paid out) and $1.5M next year. Boychuk is getting old, but he still is a competent defender who brings a wealth of toughness, character and experience.

They also get Bolduc, a big dman who can skate and had a nice year in Sherbook... or some other comparable sweetener

Why the Islanders don't do it:

They may be able to LTIR someone like Ladd or make a trade to clear cap. They also may prefer to pay more to clear the full Boychuk cap hit. I imagine the dead cap in upcoming seasons could be an issue with, for example, Beauvillier, Pelech and Sorokin needing new deals next summer.

Why the Panthers don't do it:

Simply put, it feels a bit like making a move for the sake of making a move. Zito seems committed to making them a bit harder to play against, but does Boychuk over Stralman really do that? Is a good prospect enough to bridge the gap between the two dmen in this climate, or do I underestimate Stralman's value? Do real dollars matter THAT much to Florida?

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Anyway, that's enough from me.... your thoughts, esteemed fellow HFers?
 

SI90

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I don’t like the idea of Giving up Bolduc and while Stralman is still a good player I feel there are other ways we could potentially deal boychuck without taking back salary cap hit in return. It would cost assets obviously.

I can’t really see FLA being interested doing something like this unless they really liked the prospect they were getting.

Not a bad thought though and I definitely respect the thinking.
 
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JTToilinginToronto

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Jan 18, 2019
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Not a terrible proposal if we can buyout Stralman under the confines of the rules. I'd do it from NYI perspective under that condition (also Boychuk has to waive his NTC).
 
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Mal Reynolds

never goes smooth, how come it never goes smooth?
Sep 28, 2008
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Shoot, you are correct. Buyout eligible players have to be on your roster as of the previous trade deadline

Back to the drawing board we go... and back under my proposal-less rock I go :sarcasm:
 

Ctrain2k

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Dec 3, 2016
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Shoot, you are correct. Buyout eligible players have to be on your roster as of the previous trade deadline

Back to the drawing board we go... and back under my proposal-less rock I go :sarcasm:

Didn’t Orpik get traded and bought out a couple years ago?
 

Mal Reynolds

never goes smooth, how come it never goes smooth?
Sep 28, 2008
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611
Didn’t Orpik get traded and bought out a couple years ago?

It also was during the first buyout window iirc. Guys like Marleau and Darling as well

I suspect the rule is specifically in place to avoid the shenanigans I suggested. Shame because there wouldn't really be any harm there
 

mouser

Business of Hockey
Jul 13, 2006
29,369
12,755
South Mountain
Haven't posted a trade proposal here in many, many, MANY moons, so be kind :sarcasm:

This is the result of me mucking around on Capfriendly, trying to figure out a way out of the Islanders cap pickle... here's what I came up with

:isles:

Anton Stralman (D)

:panthers:

Johnny Boychuk (D)
Samuel Bolduc (D) *or other applicable sweetener*

Why the Islanders do it:

With the new Pulock deal, their 2nd buyout window opens within 48 hours or so, but the player they're buying out has to make $4M+... Buying out Boychuk or Ladd brings no real tangible cap relief. I suppose Leddy could work, but that buyout actually hurts them more in 2 years, which I'd tend to think is a no go. Plus, with the trade of Toews, he's a useful piece to keep.

Enter Stralman. His buyout penalties are as follows:

Years 1 and 2: $2.5M *3.5M in cap savings for Isles vs. keeping Boychuk*
Years 3 and 4: $1.5M

This probably clears enough space to get a new deal done for Barzal.

Why the Panthers do it:

They save over $3M in real dollars this year (as I assume Stralman's $1M signing bonus has already been paid out) and $1.5M next year. Boychuk is getting old, but he still is a competent defender who brings a wealth of toughness, character and experience.

They also get Bolduc, a big dman who can skate and had a nice year in Sherbook... or some other comparable sweetener

Why the Islanders don't do it:

They may be able to LTIR someone like Ladd or make a trade to clear cap. They also may prefer to pay more to clear the full Boychuk cap hit. I imagine the dead cap in upcoming seasons could be an issue with, for example, Beauvillier, Pelech and Sorokin needing new deals next summer.

Why the Panthers don't do it:

Simply put, it feels a bit like making a move for the sake of making a move. Zito seems committed to making them a bit harder to play against, but does Boychuk over Stralman really do that? Is a good prospect enough to bridge the gap between the two dmen in this climate, or do I underestimate Stralman's value? Do real dollars matter THAT much to Florida?

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

Anyway, that's enough from me.... your thoughts, esteemed fellow HFers?

Isles cannot acquire a player via trade and buy them out.
 

FireGorton

Laf to Kak
Aug 6, 2020
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I don’t like the idea of Giving up Bolduc and while Stralman is still a good player I feel there are other ways we could potentially deal boychuck without taking back salary cap hit in return. It would cost assets obviously.

I can’t really see FLA being interested doing something like this unless they really liked the prospect they were getting.

Not a bad thought though and I definitely respect the thinking.
I don’t see Florida doing it because Viola loves his ex Rangers since he grew up a Rangers fan. I also don’t see how this benefits Florida.
 

mouser

Business of Hockey
Jul 13, 2006
29,369
12,755
South Mountain
Didn’t Orpik get traded and bought out a couple years ago?

Orpik was bought out during the normal June buyout period before UFA day on July 1st. The buyout rules are restricted for the 2nd post-buyout arbitration window that would normally happen in late July to mid August for teams with an arbitration case.
 

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