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Finally starting to live up to #1 overall hype I see. Hopefully he can keep it up. No such thing as too much talent in this league, so long as said talent isn't playing for Boston or Montreal, haha.
There are times when I watch him play and think "omg connor is so good" and then I see it is Nuge.
you can use the words 'useless and hopkins' interchangeably, didntcha know?It’s great you started this thread considering you called him Ryan Nugent-Useless earlier.
and you should be worried about making the playoffs and secondary scoringYou should worry more about Marner not busting or your atrocious defence rather than RNH quietly having a nice season.
The worst part is that Ryan Useless-Hopkins is a much, much better insult.It’s great you started this thread considering you called him Ryan Nugent-Useless earlier.
Why people still care where a player was drafted 6.5 years ago is beyond me.Looks like he's going to have a breakout year. Still a player you wouldn't take 1st OA.
and you should be worried about making the playoffs and secondary scoring
guy is a second line player but I don't think hes the kind of guy that wins at all. Hes an intersting type. He's not a guy you'd want as your ideal #1 or #2 C
to me he's an ideal 2nd line winger.
One of the most uninformed posts I have read on here lol . He is a Center and a good defensive one as well .guy is a second line player but I don't think hes the kind of guy that wins at all. Hes an intersting type. He's not a guy you'd want as your ideal #1 or #2 C
to me he's an ideal 2nd line winger.
Next time you hear the oilers are playing and it is on TV in your area, make sure the damn TV is turned on, It really helps with being able to judge players.guy is a second line player but I don't think hes the kind of guy that wins at all. Hes an intersting type. He's not a guy you'd want as your ideal #1 or #2 C
to me he's an ideal 2nd line winger.
They're hoping that RNH becomes an elite 2C but are offended when his progression is compared to an established elite 2C that's played as a 1C for the better part of his career and produced/carried a line/been a leader. Head scratcher. But I guess comparing a consistent 8 year career with little talent for winger's ppg (not to mention his first 100 games on the 4th line with PHX) to that of one who's had the likes of Eberle/Hall is reflective of their overall talent.
Last 4 seasons PPG: 0.7, 0.74, 0.62, and 0.52 vs 0.71, 0.53,0.78, and 0.71.
You're telling me if RNH hit those last 4 seasons of Turris' production, based on his current trend, it'd be disappointing?
If we're going to go with blanket statements, yours is moreso one. Turris has had a better PPG in 3 of the last 4 seasons compared to RNH. Turris' career high in points: 64; RNH's: 56.
RNH has a great PPG but he's also never sustained it for a full season either. going 0.83 and 0.78 ppg or whatever is nice, but when its over 60-70 games, it's a lot harder to extrapolate his full output potential. This also adds to that Turris is very reliable healthwise. He was our team's ironman for the better part of his stay with us.
PS. the year RNH had a statistically better offensive year than Turris? Two seasons ago when Turris played injured on one leg for the better part of 10 games (obviously scoring a fat 0) until we shut him down for the remainder of the season.
guy is a second line player but I don't think hes the kind of guy that wins at all. Hes an intersting type. He's not a guy you'd want as your ideal #1 or #2 C
to me he's an ideal 2nd line winger.
Lets bring in Turris best seasons as an argument to debunk RNH's career PPG advantage despite Turris being 28 and RNH now only approaching his prime. Good Logic. No one denied Turris being a better offensive player the last 3 seasons. When you bring that into a conversation your only arguing with yourself. Also in the season RNH statistically was slightly better you throw in the defacto 'Turris' was playing on one leg excuse to dumb down RNH's numbers. Then we got pom pom wavers in here Dumbing down RNH's rookie season "more min" "crappy team" etc lol . Fact is RNH at 18 was torching the NHL rookie race and holds a higher PPG thus far and is approaching his prime. We will see who produces more moving forward. Put your Turris Pom Poms down. The next few years should become more clear on who is a better offensive player.
But wouldn't you say that stating RNH is evolving into a comparable to someone who you've conceded yourself has statistically been better 3 of the last 4 years is not a slight? Scoffing at that and pretending Turris is inferior is what's ridiculous. Arguing that Turris is older and achieved his recent productivity in his prime whilst RNH has achieved similar results at an earlier stage in development doesn't make sense if no one said RNH had plateaued at 22 yo. Especially when "reaching a Turris level" is a compliment. We're not saying he's like JG Pageau here.
In the end, no one is saying Turris is the best you can hope for out of RNH or projecting he never goes back to hitting a 0.8PPG pace. However his 6-7 seasons since his rookie season don't suggest it's likely he's going to be a 0.8 ppg player on a full season. Especially when he's no longer and unknown rookie that people aren't putting more defensive pressure on.
It's nice to hear "Croby-lite" and "Malkin-ceiling" but sometimes, realistic projections are fun to discuss. For example, Senators fans talk about seeing Bergeron-lite in Colin White, but in reality, he's more likely to be Rob Niedermeier 3C guy, despite no evidence other than the odds of a college standout typically not translating into becoming an NHL star.
No one's waving pom-poms, you just have to put your keyboard shield down and not be so defensive about other random internet stranger's assessments that may be under-toned compared your teams' fans.
It rolls off the tongue better too. I personally believe Nuge gets alot of unwarranted shit from fans, He's consistently put up a 50+ point pace throughout his young career and has developed into a decent two-way player. No he's not a point per game superstar, but not every 1st overall pick is.The worst part is that Ryan Useless-Hopkins is a much, much better insult.
that's funnyNext time you hear the oilers are playing and it is on TV in your area, make sure the damn TV is turned on, It really helps with being able to judge players.
Look at guys who are making 6M these days. If RNH returns to form where he is a ~55 point guy who plays a ton of minutes then he is worth that.Is he worth 6 million per year? Absolutely not. Trade him while his stock ( and hot streak) is high...
Look at guys who are making 6M these days. If RNH returns to form where he is a ~55 point guy who plays a ton of minutes then he is worth that.