There's a ridiculous amount of conversation and agreement around trading 6 in some form or another. But you're right, as the first person to hyperbolize a bit about the trend of conversation, my bad.
Again - is Hanifin a future 1D? If he is, why on earth would Carolina trade him for our pick? If he's not, why on earth would we trade our pick for him? It's absolutely dumb. It's either a dumb basis for discussion, or it's a dumb discussion to have.
It's precisely as dumb, for instance, as talking about trading 6 for Karlsson or to bring back Kyle Quincey. Absent a specific rumor, one isn't happening, and the other is a monumental waste of the pick.
Josh Allen would be like taking Nick Merkley in the top 5. But that's neither here nor there.
I think trading the pick for a 1B is precisely why it's dumb. I think taking a player you don't think is going to grow into a 1A is also dumb. "Safe" picks, and "safe" use of picks, isn't how this team gets back to championships. And we have no timeframe - there's no hurry to just 'get a guy'. If Dobson/Bouchard/Boqvist/whoever bust, we're not ruined.
Our best pick in years... in a great draft... with a ton of defensemen who would dramatically upgrade our pool, and would fit in with the next few years of prospects we need to pick and develop... and suddenly everyone wants to trade the pick and one of our only good forwards for... a different forward? Someone else's "unwanted", non-1D defenseman who has less control?
This is so, so dumb. This is trading Carson Wentz for Corey Coleman and Deshone Kizer dumb.
I don't disagree that it is an out there proposal. I saw a Canes fan propose it on Trade board and just wanted to see what you guys thought, basically. I don't necessarily endorse it or think it is the best possible move, just seeing if there is a fit of some sort.
Like others have said, the reasons it does make sense is that it shaves off a few developmental years and Hanifin might be the most balanced/ well rounded of all the defensemen in the conversation when it is all said and done.
Like others have said, we should probably draft a D we like with the 6th overall pick and control his contract and development from day 1. Also, if you think a guy like Boqvist, Bouchard, Dobson, Hughes, etc. has a higher ceiling and will be a better player you absolutely draft that guy rather than trade for Hanifin. I don't have a strong opinion on any of the players in question, I think they are all pretty darn good and have strengths and weaknesses, etc.
I don't know if it is quite as dumb as you're saying but I will agree it seems highly unlikely. As a comparable though, it is reminiscent to Jones for Johansen sort of. The Canes fan suggested so that they would acquire both Svechnikov and Wahlstrom in the draft, giving them a lot more punch in their top 6 for years to come. Something like:
Aho - Staal - TT
Zykov - Necas/Wahlstrom - Svechnikov
Eventually Staal slides down to 3C when Necas and Wahlstrom are done developing and earn their stripes in the NHL. Canes deal from a position of strength to fill a hole.
I'm with you one this. There was another trade out there about Mantha+6th OA for Mete+3rd OA that I wasn't a fan of due to the fact that Mantha is already doing it in the NHL while Zadina (presumably) hasn't done anything. Is Zadina's ceiling higher? I would say he has the edge there, but his floor is still being a complete bust. Same comes into play here; any defenseman we pick at 6 might be a higher ceiling player, but could also be a complete bust. Hanifin is still improving year by year, is 21, and would immediately be the best defenseman on the team. If he were 24-25 I would proceed with caution, but as it currently stands I would make the deal.
I still think Hanifin has some growth and he plays a really safe, strong game from what I've seen. Guys like Hughes, Boqvist, Bouchard all have offensive tools that look really promising but other parts of their game come into question. I consider them all to be pretty valuable prospects so it is hard to say.
Not a bad idea, bud. Hanifin is a good young player.
However I really like the defenseman slated to go top 10 this year, and also like the idea of controlling their development and ELC years.
Controlling the contract talks and having all of the time on our side is key, I agree.
Develop the draft picks. Hanifin isn't getting traded anyway.
If there is anyone on Carolina that I would trade the 6th for, it's Necas.
There's an idea. I think Canes probably cling to him tighter than a D at this point, though. But I like him a lot as well.
It isn't a dumb idea because a lot of people still think Hanifin will develop into a 1b type of defenseman; he's only 21 ffs. If you disagree with that thought, then I totally understand you being against the trade. Because if we're talking about drafting a player at #6 we expect to be a top pairing defenseman, I damn well be getting a player I expect to be exactly that if I'm trading the pick and adding a NHL forward.
Yeah the DRW would have to be enamored with Hanifin to move the pick. I don't see why they'd bother otherwise. I think he still has 1B ceiling.
i'd trade the 6th for Hanifin in a second
both because I really believe in Hanifin and because I don't really trust the Wings to develop defensemen anyways
There is a part of me that has this feeling too. It is why I'm giving thought to and starting a discussion about trading the 6th overall pick away.
I don't really know enough about Hanifin to have an informed opinion, but I like this in principle. I really think that young great #1 D is our most critical need by far right now, and if we can fill that, a lot will fall into place behind it. I would even cautiously overpay some to get it.
I think his style fits more with guys like Hronek and Cholowski coming up. Hanifin plays a simpler game where as a guy like Hronek has more flair and potential risk with his offensive instincts. Having say both Hronek and Hughes/ Boqvist wouldn't be bad but it might be a more balanced and ideal scenario with Hanifin. But this is all hypothetical.