Proposal: Noah Hanifin to New Jersey at the draft

[StephenPeat]

for Pavel Zacha, Damon Severson, John Quenneville, Blake Speers

Absolutely gross for CAR. I don't see an available piece from NJ that wold entice the Canes for Hanafin at all.

 

[AuraSphere]

Counter offer, Nylander for Hanifan

 

[Nico the Draft Riser]

Nope.

I dont think a team stuck in mediocrity forever really has the room to claim their players are worth more than other recent 1st overall picks.

Carolina’s GM isnt stupid enough to think a single one of his players is worth more than Hall or Hischier.

 

[Nico the Draft Riser]

Dude you're not even close, Carolina wants a young future #1 Centerman for Hanifin and you're not offering them one here.

Why exactly is Carolina getting a future #1 center for not even their best dman?

Makes no sense

 

[tarheelhockey]

I dont think a team stuck in mediocrity forever really has the room to claim their players are worth more than other recent 1st overall picks.

Carolina’s GM isnt stupid enough to think a single one of his players is worth more than Hall or Hischier.

When you say “a team stuck in mediocrity forever”, are you talking about Carolina or New Jersey? Please clarify.

 

[Nico the Draft Riser]

When you say “a team stuck in mediocrity forever”, are you talking about Carolina or New Jersey? Please clarify.

The team with one fairytale cup run in their entire lifespan.

But that aside not a single player in Carolina is worth Hall or Hischier straight up so it doesnt matter. Keep Hanifin , must make lots of sense having so many great dmen with nothing on offense or in net. But yeah lets act like we can keep the pieces and move them for whatever we want, when in reality, the team desperately needs goaltending snd scoring.,

 

[tarheelhockey]

The team with one fairytale cup run in their entire lifespan.

But that aside not a single player in Carolina is worth Hall or Hischier straight up so it doesnt matter. Keep Hanifin , must make lots of sense having so many great dmen with nothing on offense or in net. But yeah lets act like we can keep the pieces and move them for whatever we want, when in reality, the team desperately needs goaltending snd scoring.,

So just to be clear, you’re actually going to sit here as a Devils fan and talk trash about another team being mediocre?

Just want to emphasize that you’re actually doing this on purpose.

 

[Blender]

Another classic quantity for quality trade proposal from HockeysFinest. Awful as usual.

If you have to keep piling on lesser assets to "balance" a trade for a good player, stop right there and rethink your entire trade proposal.

 

[Nico the Draft Riser]

So just to be clear, you’re actually going to sit here as a Devils fan and talk trash about another team being mediocre?

Just want to emphasize that you’re actually doing this on purpose.

I think youre upset over nothing here

Canes fans act as if they have holy grail valued players and yet theyve all accomplished nothing. So in reality what we have here is a bunch of fans who think they can hold out on moving one of their multiple stud dmen for only the best return, when in reality you guys have nothing coming up the pipeline for goaltending and your offensive prospects have already made the jump primarily.

Carolina will miss the playoffs the next 2-3 years if they dont upgrade the offense and goaltending - and heres a hint, you probably have to move one of your dmen to do that.

Doesnt have to be NJ

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

The team with one fairytale cup run in their entire lifespan.

But that aside not a single player in Carolina is worth Hall or Hischier straight up so it doesnt matter. Keep Hanifin , must make lots of sense having so many great dmen with nothing on offense or in net. But yeah lets act like we can keep the pieces and move them for whatever we want, when in reality, the team desperately needs goaltending snd scoring.,

And Pavel Zacha addresses that need?

 

[Nico the Draft Riser]

And Pavel Zacha addresses that need?

The original deal was trash

NJ isnt a good partner and Zacha isnt going anywhere

 

[Cardiac Jerks]

I think youre upset over nothing here

Canes fans act as if they have holy grail valued players and yet theyve all accomplished nothing. So in reality what we have here is a bunch of fans who think they can hold out on moving one of their multiple stud dmen for only the best return, when in reality you guys have nothing coming up the pipeline for goaltending and your offensive prospects have already made the jump primarily.

Carolina will miss the playoffs the next 2-3 years if they dont upgrade the offense and goaltending - and heres a hint, you probably have to move one of your dmen to do that.

Doesnt have to be NJ

Canes fans aren’t in denial over having to move one of their dmen to address areas of needs.

We’re simply not in support of moving them in terrible proposals like the one in this thread.

 

[Devilsfan118]

So just to be clear, you’re actually going to sit here as a Devils fan and talk trash about another team being mediocre?

Just want to emphasize that you’re actually doing this on purpose.

I know it's dangerous to tango with a "purple text" mod here, since you guys seem to ban based upon your personal opinions, but I think it's important here that you define your time frame.

Short term: I'd say I'd rather be a Devils fan, considering you guys haven't made the show in almost a decade and seem to be in a perpetual death spiral of mediocrity. Despite having decent talent your team has been mismanaged, poorly coached, and largely irrelevant. Devils were bad for a couple years during the rebuild, but things seem to be trending well. Meanwhile, the Canes finished with fewer points than last year.

Long term: I mean, obviously this trends in the Devils favor. I'm not going to bother fleshing this out - unless you need me to.

So.. yes. Your franchise is bad, and you should feel bad. I count my lucky stars that I find myself a Devils fan, and not following the Canes.

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But to the trade proposal - seems like a lot of quantity for quality. Don't think it happens within the division, and if recent trades are any indication D-men carry a premium value.

That said, Hanifin doesn't get you Nico, lol come on boys.

 

[sheriff bart]

I think youre upset over nothing here

Canes fans act as if they have holy grail valued players and yet theyve all accomplished nothing. So in reality what we have here is a bunch of fans who think they can hold out on moving one of their multiple stud dmen for only the best return, when in reality you guys have nothing coming up the pipeline for goaltending and your offensive prospects have already made the jump primarily.

Carolina will miss the playoffs the next 2-3 years if they dont upgrade the offense and goaltending - and heres a hint, you probably have to move one of your dmen to do that.

Doesnt have to be NJ

Other than one Canes fan, there is no over valuing of players. If anyone has to have multiple players involved to make "equal" value for one of the Canes young Dmen, then the trade is a no go. Canes don't need quantity, they need quality. I see Hall or Hirsh as being valued over Hanifin at this point, but a guy like Hirsh is where the Canes need to be looking when trying to trade. I also see NJ as not being interested in moving him, even with Canes adding.

As for me as a Canes fan, I'd consider moving anyone on the D side if it brought the right player back. Slavin is the most valued, but also would most likely be the only one that would bring back the kind of offensive player we need.

 

[Classic Devil]

Not if you want to acquire Hanifin.

Hischier is the "take it or leave it" price.

Shero isn't Chiarelli.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Canes fans act as if they have holy grail valued players and yet theyve all accomplished nothing.

Hischier has as many playoff wins as Slavin. This is such a horrible line of argument.

If you’d rather have your guy than our guy, fine. Just say so. That’s exactly what we’re doing. There’s no need to go the next step and pretend guys like Hischier and Hall have led their teams to anything noteworthy.

 

[tarheelhockey]

I know it's dangerous to tango with a "purple text" mod here, since you guys seem to ban based upon your personal opinions, but I think it's important here that you define your time frame.

Short term: I'd say I'd rather be a Devils fan, considering you guys haven't made the show in almost a decade and seem to be in a perpetual death spiral of mediocrity. Despite having decent talent your team has been mismanaged, poorly coached, and largely irrelevant. Devils were bad for a couple years during the rebuild, but things seem to be trending well. Meanwhile, the Canes finished with fewer points than last year.

Long term: I mean, obviously this trends in the Devils favor. I'm not going to bother fleshing this out - unless you need me to.

So.. yes. Your franchise is bad, and you should feel bad. I count my lucky stars that I find myself a Devils fan, and not following the Canes.

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But to the trade proposal - seems like a lot of quantity for quality. Don't think it happens within the division, and if recent trades are any indication D-men carry a premium value.

That said, Hanifin doesn't get you Nico, lol come on boys.

Who cares what fan you’d rather be a team of? I’d rather not be a Devils fan because that would be completely random for someone who isn’t from NJ. That’s neither here nor there.

And I already agreed that Hischier > Hanifin. I think everyone agrees on that except for a couple of people who love to stir the pot.

 

[Nico the Draft Riser]

Hischier has as many playoff wins as Slavin. This is such a horrible line of argument.

If you’d rather have your guy than our guy, fine. Just say so. That’s exactly what we’re doing. There’s no need to go the next step and pretend guys like Hischier and Hall have led their teams to anything noteworthy.

Hischier and Hall just led their entire team to the playoffs.

But whatever, Carolina will move one of those dmen some day and, just like Toronto eventually with their abundance of forwards, it wont be for as hefty of a return as everyone wants.

GMs are just like us but deal with it more. If a GM sees Carolina has an abundance of D and lack on O and G, and theyre shopping guys, they dont have to shell out major pieces as if Carolina had less dmen and a more well rounded team.

Carolina wont give away one of them but theyll move one eventually and just like Edmonton (just not to the extent of the Hall trade) Carolina will take a hit in value to fill a need. And that hit in value will equal out when they eventually make the playoffs from finally moving around some of the value they have into other positions.

 

[MagnumForce2]

Counter offer, Nylander for Hanifan

Which Nylander? Right now they both have the same amount of playoff pts.

 

[Elias Pettersson]

Which Nylander? Right now they both have the same amount of playoff pts.

rekkkkttttt

 

[Puckclektr]

The original deal was trash

NJ isnt a good partner and Zacha isnt going anywhere

Except the minors.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

I didnt realize the Devils were ready to give up on Nico already.

Because if they want Hanifin...

I mean...

lol.

 

[AuraSphere]

Which Nylander? Right now they both have the same amount of playoff pts.

I know you're just joking around and being clever. But by that logic, Matthews is as good as A. Nylander.

Real question for Canes fans. Would you do W. Nylander for Hanifin or not? I think both players have the potential to show they're elite. Nylander could very well rek us hard after we trade him, but after these playoffs its evident our current D isn't going to win us the cup.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

I know you're just joking around and being clever. But by that logic, Matthews is as good as A. Nylander.

Real question for Canes fans. Would you do W. Nylander for Hanifin or not? I think both players have the potential to show they're elite. Nylander could very well rek us hard after we trade him, but after these playoffs its evident our current D isn't going to win us the cup.

At this point, probably.

Objectively speaking, if Toronto is trying to win now, that trade won’t help them do that. Hanifin has the potential to be a good defenseman in the league, but he’s still raw. If the time horizon is a bit longer, it might make sense. Even then, I wouldn’t fault Leaf fans for balking at the idea, particularly given the makeup (handedness) of the Toronto blueline.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

Jones was closer to Hanifin than Slavin at the time of the trade. Now, okay.

Aho was moved to the center position after the deadline and the results were positive. Combined with his prior history at that position, I wouldn’t be so quick to label him a winger.

Aho outscored Hischier by 13 points. That’s not “barely.” I have no issue valuing Hischier’s pedigree over Aho but putting up 65 points as the focal point of an offense is nothing to scoff at. He's about to turn 21; he may not be done developing.