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  1. Leaf Lander

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    100 Adam Oates

    99 Dave Keon

    98 Paul Kariya

    97 George Hainsworth

    96 Joe Mullen

    95 Serge Savard

    94 Michel Goulet

    93 Darryl Sittler

    92 Borje Salming

    91 Luc Robitaille

    90 Markus Naslund

    89 Jarome Iginla

    88 Glenn Anderson

    87 Eric Lindros

    86 Phil Housley

    85 Mike Modano

    84 Rod Langway

    83 Dave Andreychuk

    82 Jean Ratelle

    81 Johnny Bower

    80 Brendan Shanahan

    79 Joe Malone

    78 Dino Ciccarelli

    77 Norm Ullman

    76 Pat LaFontaine

    75 Scott Niedermayer

    74 Denis Savard

    73 Joe Nieuwendyk

    72 Doug Gilmour

    71 Chris Chelios

    70 Chris Pronger

    69 Mike Gartner

    68 Dale Hawerchuk

    67 Jeremy Roenick

    66 Bob Gainey

    65 Pavel Bure

    64 Mark Howe

    63 Sid Abel

    62 Brian Leetch

    61 Dickie Moore

    60 Newsy Lalonde

    59 John Bucyk

    58 Alexander Mogilny

    57 Al MacInnis

    56 Yvan Cournoyer

    55 Bill Durnan

    54 Brad Park

    53 Bill Cook

    52 Scott Stevens

    51 Bernie Geoffrion


    50 Dit Clapper

    49 Max Bentley

    48 Peter Stastny

    47 Milt Schmidt

    46 Gilbert Perreault

    45 Tim Horton

    44 Tony Esposito

    43 Ken Dryden

    42 Sergei Fedorov

    41 Bob Clarke

    40 Frank Mahovlich

    39 Howie Morenz

    38 Ron Francis

    37 Henri Richard

    36 Charlie Conacher

    35 Red Kelly

    34 Grant Fuhr

    33 Paul Coffey

    32 Marcel Dionne

    31 Steve Yzerman

    30 Nicklas Lidstrom

    29 Jari Kurri

    28 Martin Brodeur

    27 Brett Hull

    26 Phil Esposito

    25 Larry Robinson

    24 Glenn Hall

    23 Denis Potvin

    22 Dominik Hasek

    21 Jaromir Jagr

    20 Terry Sawchuk

    19 Ted Lindsay

    18 Stan Mikita

    17 Peter Forsberg

    16 Joe Sakic

    15 Jacques Plante

    14 Mike Bossy

    13 Guy Lafleur

    12 Ray Bourque

    11 Mark Messier

    10 Jean Beliveau

    9 Doug Harvey

    8 Patrick Roy

    7 Eddie Shore

    6 Maurice Richard

    5 Bobby Hull

    4 Gordie Howe

    3 Mario Lemieux

    2 Bobby Orr

    1 Wayne Gretzky

    Let the debates begin :yo:
     
  2. Leaf Lander

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    dave andreychuk greater then daryl sittler lol

    salming better then sittler and keon lol
     
  3. silver_made*

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    but he still isn't HHOF material :dunce:
     
  4. sparr0w

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    Pete at #17 is the biggest joke of the list. Not sure if your post was sarcasm or not. So I don't know whether I'm agreeing with you or not. lol
     
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    Forsberg drew a laugh out of me

    Jagr--at this point in his career--ahead of Phil Esposito drew another laugh.


    Some interesting choices there....
     
  6. Leaf Lander

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    forsberg is mabey top 80 to 100 material
     
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    He belongs in Lindros' backpocket because they are mirror images of each other's careers.
     
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    And Yzerman and Sakic belong right next to each other, probably splitting the difference between 30 and 16. I don't see how Sakic has yet pulled ahead of Yzerman in terms of their careers. Yes, he's considerably better now but I don't think he's met Stevie's achievements yet.
     
  9. Trottier

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    Here's all you need to know about this list from the same ENTERTAINMENT folks who bring you Stuart Scott:

    Bryan Trottier isn't on their top 100 list. :dunce:

    Same player who is on most every hockey expert's top 25 (or at worst, top 50) of all-time.

    Whether deliberate or an oversight (I'll bet on the latter), it's typical and regrettable.
     
  10. God Bless Canada

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    Am I missing something or is Trottier not listed? If he isn't, then this list is a sham. Heck, if he's not in the top 25, this list is a sham. Trotts was not only an elite scorer back in his day (five 100-point seasons, an Art Ross, Hart and Conn Smythe), but a ferocious competitor, excellent forechecker, physical presence and leader. IMO, one of the 10 or 15 best centres of all time.

    This list is way too focused on modern players. Forsberg at 17? Jagr at 21? Guys like Bure, Modano, Kariya, Oates and Niedermayer (as much as I love the guy). None of these guys are Hall worthy. Good to see Shore and Harvey in the top 10, but not much respect for the history of the game, especially those who dominated in the 60s and 70s. (Espo is one of the 15 best players in history, if not the top 10).

    If these guys are experts, then I'm Dick Irvin.
     
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    ''Bryan Trottier isn't on their top 100 list''

    Oh my God, haha. I'm sure they just totally forgot about him, they couldn't have possibly deliberately left him off. Could they?

    And while I think Forsberg is listed too high, he's better than Lindros. Two cups and better playoff numbers. Good luck holding Peter to 0 points in a four game sweep.
     
  12. KOVALEV10*

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    Trottier was the 6th best center I've ever seen in my life.

    1- Lemieux
    2- Gretzky
    3- Beliveau
    4- Messier
    5- Yzerman
    6- Trottier

    Sakic is debatable but personally I'd go with Trottier.
     
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    I'm glad Kurri is in the top 30 :yo:
     
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    Forsberg ahead of Jagr? That's laughable.
     
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    Where is Lafleur?
     
  16. Leaf Lander

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    nik lidstrom ahead of stevey y :biglaugh:
     
  17. God Bless Canada

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    LaFleur is a right wing, the third best right wing of all time, IMO. (Ahead of Bossy, behind consensus 1-2 Howe and Richard).

    I think Gretzky, Lemieux and Beliveau are 1-2-3 on most lists for centres. Then, IMO, it's a crap shoot with Espo, Clarke, Trottier, Messier (as much as I hate the guy), Sakic, Yzerman, Mikita and a couple others. (I'm not sold on Dionne's place in the history of the game as others).

    And as far as an all-round player, I'd take Forsberg over Jagr, too.
     
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  19. God Bless Canada

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    I'm a huge Espo fan, so maybe I rate him a little higher than others. The guy was a fierce competitor. Incredibly intense, hated to lose. IMO, he's the best leader in the history of the game. (Witness the rant in 72). Wouldn't have wanted to be on the flight back home from Moscow if Canada would have lost that thing. One of the great characters in the history of the game.

    (To paraphrase an Espo interview with THN a few years ago: I've never understood what would possess somebody to want to kill another human being, but I would have killed to win in 72).

    Dionne gets highly rated because he put up some great numbers. Can't take that away from him. IMO, he's very deserving of that HHOF spot. But he was one-dimensional. Probably should be in the 15-20 area for all-time centres. Having met the guy, he's also a jerk.
     
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    Sorry that was a bit of a joke that I had, I know all about Lafleur... it was a jab at K-10 for having to mention Lafleur in every single one of his posts.
     
  21. Ogopogo*

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    Very messed up.

    It should be a lot closer to this list (see below) than it is. Do the NHL2Night experts really do their homework before ranking current players ahead of all time greats from the past? I think not.

    My list below needs to have some data added so, this is not going to be the final placings. It is close to where things will end up but, I suspect a few players will change when I add the new data I have found.

    That being said, this list is a LOT more accurate than the NHL2Night list.

    Putting Mario Lemieux ahead of Gordie Howe is completely moronic. :shakehead


    Total
    1 Wayne Gretzky 254
    2 Gordie Howe 239
    3 Bobby Orr 161
    4 Maurice "Rocket" Richard 131
    5 Eddie Shore* 128
    6 Bobby Hull 121
    Jean Believeau 121
    8 Ray Bourque 120
    9 Mario Lemieux 119
    10 Doug Harvey 114
    11 Phil Esposito 110
    12 Stan Mikita 104
    13 Cy Denneny* 101
    14 Howie Morenz* 97
    15 Jaromir Jagr 90
    16 Guy Lafleur 89
    17 Ted Lindsay 86
    18 Leonard "Red" Kelly* 83
    19 Paul Coffey 80
    20 Cecil " Babe" Dye* 73
    21 Bill Cowley 71
    22 Mike Bossy 70
    23 Denis Potvin 64
    24 Andy Bathgate 63
    Mark Messier 63
    26 Aurel Joliat* 61
    27 Francis "King" Clancy* 60
    Harry Cameron* 59
    29 Frank Mahovlich 59
    30 Bobby Clarke 58
    Frank Boucher* 58
    32 Pierre Pilote 57
    Nicklas Lidstrom 57
    34 Chris Chelios 56
    Elmer Lach 56
    36 Bill Cook* 55
    37 Aubrey "Dit" Clapper* 54
    38 Nels Stewart* 53
    Joe Sakic 53
    Bryan Trottier 53
    41 Marcel Dionne 52
    42 Hector "Toe" Blake 51
    Bernie Geoffrion 51
    44 Larry Robinson 50
    45 Edouard "Newsy" Lalonde* 49
    Charlie Conacher 49
    Earl Seibert* 49
    48 Joe Malone* 47
    49 Peter Forsberg 46
    Jari Kurri 46
    51 Sid Abel 45.5
    52 Doug Bentley 45
    Harvey "Busher" Jackson 45
    54 Milt Schmidt 43
    Max Bentley 43
    Syl Apps, Sr. 43
    Henri Richard 43
    58 Luc Robitaille 42
    George Boucher* 42
    60 Frank Nighbor* 41
    61 Brett Hull 39
    Ebbie Goodfellow* 39
    Sprague Cleghorn* 39
    64 Al MacInnis 38
    David "Sweeney" Schriner 38
    66 Dickie Moore 37
    67 Paul Kariya 36
    Bryan Hextall, Sr. 36
    69 Brian Leetch 35
    Ken Reardon* 35
    Jacques Laperriere 35
    72 Teemu Selanne 34
    Clarence "Hap" Day* 34
    Yvan Cournoyer 34
    75 Albert "Babe" Seibert* 33
    Emile "Butch" Bouchard* 33
    77 Jack Stewart* 32
    Tim Horton 32
    79 Markus Naslund 31
    Brad Park 31
    Reg Noble* 31
    82 Gord Drillon 30
    Ivan "Ching" Johnson* 30
    84 Ted Kennedy 29.5
    85 Rod Langway 29
    86 Bill Quackenbush* 28
    John LeClair 28
    Marty Barry 28
    89 Bill Gadsby 27
    Jack Adams* 27
    Harry "Punch" Broadbent* 27
    92 Pavel Bure 26
    Norm Ullman 26
    Michel Goulet 26
    Billy Boucher* 26
    Ken Hodge 26
    Lionel Conacher* 26
    Walter "Babe" Pratt* 26
    Steve Yzerman 26
    Steve Shutt 26
    Guy Lapointe 26
     
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    Vaguely recall the '72 Summit Series, being a mere lad at the time. Was aware, at the time, of it's epic place in hockey's history, however. Received the '72 DVD a couple years back, and man, was that a great gift.

    For those who are unfamiliar, hard to convey the authentic drama (no made-for-TV crap, or melodramatic ESPN storyline, thank you!) of that series.

    The ebb and flow of that series, leading up to the finish could not be written. It was really several "acts" within one eight-game "play".

    And Esposito's post-game interview following the Vancouver game is worth the price of the DVD alone. I do not for a moment doubt the sincerity of his quote that you cite above, i.e., "would have killed to win...". For if you watch closely the intensity of that series on both sides, an intensity which somehow just kept getting greater and greater with each game, it is hard to conclude otherwise.

    The stickwork...Cashman shining his crazy toothless grin in the face of a Soviet player...Clarke purposely clubbing his stick down on Kharlamov's ankle and then, moment's afterward, he too, sticking his face, sans front teeth, in his victim's grill.

    Some would call it a disgraceful display, even barbaric. On some levels, perhaps it was.

    For me, it was hockey - sports - at it's very best.
     
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    This is a fairly bad list. A few random points:
    - Kurri at 29, Forsberg at 17 and Bossy at 14 are all too high (though, of course, they are all great talents)
    - Howe should be ahead of Lemieux
    - Morenz is only 39? He was arguably the best player in history up until Howe.
    - Mogilny at 58 is way, way too high.
    - Overall the list has many bizarre omissions (Bathgate, Cowley, Seibert, Clancy, Denneny, Trottier, Stewart, Apps, Kennedy, Boucher, Gadsby, Primeau, Joliat, Dye, Brimsek, etc) and way too many modern players. The people who made the list seem to have little knowledge about hockey history, or choose to ignore it for whatever reasons.
    - Scott Neidermayer and Phil Housley (no disrespect to either) are better than Earl Seibert and King Clancy?!
     
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    Beliveau? Are you talking about you or your dad in L.A.?
     
  25. God Bless Canada

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    What's this, Ogopogo posted his top 100 again? Dude, I think we have it floating around this site enough times as it is. Not that it matters, we just roll our eyes and hit "page down" until we get to the next post

    We have it in an earlier posting. Just put a link to it in your message, or tell us to go to that thread.
     
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