NHL to increase urgency

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  1. X0ssbar

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    "Sportsnet has learned the league has isolated 13 dates over the next 3 weeks in an effort to bring the two sides to an agreement.

    NHLPA Executive Director, Bob Goodnow made a brief stop at NHL headquarters in Manhattan on Thursday, but sources say little of substance was discussed.

    No meeting dates have been confirmed, but the union has promised to get back to the NHL soon with its preferred schedule."

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    I'll believe it when it happens.
     
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    For some reason I can't seem to find the crap article that says Goodenow is stalling and won't schedule any meetings on the Sportsnet website any more. They must have taken it off. Interesting.
     
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    Like I said yesterday, it was a floozy quote with nothing backing it up, it was BS. Eklund probably started it.
     
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    Apparently, the PA has reluctantly agreed to meet, but specifics aren't given.

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20050422.wxnhlcba0422/BNStory/Sports/

     
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    Lets put this quote in as well on WHY the PA was reluctant

     
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    Here's some additional detail as well on the exchange between Jacobs and Goodenow (registration is required):

    http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/sports/hockey/11456882.htm


     
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    A team by team cap is ridiculous. There is no way the nhl is going to buy that.
     
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    You don't know what the details are. Besides, the concept is the only one in the last year that hasn't been shot down yet by either side. The owners certainly could buy that, seeing as it might limit the amounts they need to share with the have-not teams.
     
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    A 'stare down' contest? What is this, the third grade? Perhaps Jacobs is a Buffoon, most in Chicago seem to think so, but he is a minor negotiator for the Owners' team. Goodenow 'does not like that' and saw fit to stare him down back? The lead negotiator for the NHLPA? Is anyone but me :biglaugh: at that image? And :cry: at the same time?
     
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    How do you figure? He's owned the Bruins since the 70s and has been one of the more powerful owners ever since. He, along with Snider and Wirtz have been apart of the league the longest, so how is it that all of a sudden he is now playing a minor role in the negotiations? Furthermore, I highly doubt that the NHL would disgard his experience and be able to keep him in a minor role. These guys are the heart of the owners, they run the ol'boys club, always have, and always will as long as their in the NHL.

    Given the fact that Bettman has that 8 owner clause, having 3 hard liners with an extremely intimidating presence that allows them to pull a tone of weight with the rest of the owners is huge factor, one that should not be understated or overlooked.
     
  12. Wow, I must have missed it when Jacobs owned the Blackhawks. :sarcasm:
     
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    if the large market teams can be convinced to increase revenue sharing, than a team by team cap is feasable. Remeber, in business, it isn't what you make, it is what you keep. If the Maple Leafs can increase their profit by 20% by increasing revenue sharing and decreasing player salaries, then they may agree to this concept.
     
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    We are speaking degrees here. He is not on par with Goodenow, that would be Bettman. However bad it is to have Jacobs act like a third grader to have Goodenow act as childish in response may even be worse. But again, that is mere degrees, that both sides are having staring contests, pouting and saying they will not attend your stinkin' meetings, etc. etc, when we have already lost a season and seem to be on the verge of losing at least parts of number two certainly makes me laugh and cry . . . .and there is enough blame to go both ways if this report is accurate.
     
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    While I agree that the NHL needs increased revenue sharing, I can't see how a team by team cap would work in terms of player movement. If my understanding is correct the team by team cap could still conceivably price a player out of certain markets...no?
     
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    Personally, I think if they both stared down, then slowly approached to kiss... that might smooth things over in the room.
     
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    I didn't take it as a team by team cap per se.. There will just be a range for which all teams have to stay within.

    This won't gurantee the league that no more than 54% of salaries will be paid out but if the league can adjust the salary range, add in a luxury tax to further deter spending and link the salary cap range to revenues they could get pretty darn close to that 54% mark IMO- its not "air tight" but close.

    ..and I think at this point, with all the damage that has been done, this a framework that has to move these negotiations forward.
     
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    I disagree. Bettman works for the owners, what he does is what the owners want him to do. Sure, being the Commish gives him more power than previous league Presidents, but he is still under the owners control and if he does something the owners don't like, especially if the owners he pisses off are like Wirtz, Jacobs, and Snider, he's gone. These guys play a much bigger role in the talks than many people think.

    Case in point, Ziegler was ousted because he disobeyed Wirtz during CBA talks with Goodenow. Wirtz wanted Ziegler to report to him everything that he discussed with Goodenow before making any decisions. He didn't, thus he was tossed. Check out Gil Stein's book Power Plays to learn more.
     
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    Looks like Wirtz had Goodenow figured out pretty well.

    That's why it helps to have snakes on your side because they can best tell who the snakes are on the other side.
     
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    Those quotes are unmistakable. Goodenow wants Toronto to be "capped" at $100 million, and Atlanta around $30 million. :shakehead
     
  23. X0ssbar

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    On yeah - I agree.. That is why the league has to set up the upper limit at what it can afford and of course this is where the next stumbling blocks in these negotiations will come from..

    But as Bettman said - its down to dollar and cents now which is at least a step forward from the cap/no cap, linkage/no-linkage standoff we have been at the last several years.

    If you think about it, when is the last time we've heard "philosophical differences" or "we aren't even speaking the same language" from these jokers.. We are still a fair amount of time away from an agreement but I do think there has been progress and they are inching closer.
     
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    If they do settle on 13 dates over the next three weeks, that's a pretty good meeting schedule. That's more than every other day, even including weekends (and more than 4 out of 5 days if weekends are excluded). A heck of a lot more meetings for us to read about than we've been used to.
     
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    Can I see those quotes? I have always thought that the team cap is the same as the NFL, each team has a cap that is based on overall revenues rather than the league.
     
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