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Jason MacIsaac said:
No, he will just have to pass waivers to go back to Albany. Which means he will be cut cause some team will nab him.


Dam, I hope he makes it, becaus that would be a waste.
 

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John Flyers Fan said:
For the Flyers:

Niittymanki is guaranteed a spot.

Jeff Carter is next to a lock.

Mike Richards will also likely be a Flyer next year, and if not him possibly R.J. Umberger.


As of today the Flyers expect Primeau, Handzus, Carter and Richards to be their four centers next year, with Roenick moving to the wing.
I agree and I also think that Umberger will play wing for the Flyers. it's not a bad list for a team thats always finishing in the top 5 or so teams in the league every year.

can't wait to see Frank play net either, he has been nothing short of stellar this year. with him and Esche, it gives us a young goaltending tandem.

now all we have to hope is that the players and owners can get this straightened out.
 

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Spooky371 said:
At Montreal:
Alexander Perezhogin
Tomas Plekanec (ready but not will play next year)
Chris Higgins
Ron Hainsey ? :dunno:

Alexander Perezhogin is a lock to make the team...

Plekanec will have to play with the Habs...if not, Montreal will lose him through waivers...

Higgins will most likely make the team but because of Plekanec, he might start in Hamilton

Hainsey will have a one way deal for next year so he's done with the AHL...

The Habs will have at least two propects with basicly 0 NHL experience so it will be fun to see what they will be able to do
 

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turnbuckle said:
Do you really expect NHL teams to only dress rookie forwards on the third and fourth lines?

I know in the case of the Habs, they will not be calling up Kostitsyn or Perezhogin until they're ready for first or second-line action. I would suggest that the same can be said for Carter, Getzlaf, Ovechkin and a host of other prospects. They will most likely be seeing time on the top two lines or playing in the minors until they're ready for such a role.

Did Nash, Heatley, Spezza, Kovalchuk, Ryder, Ruutu, Hunter, Hemsky, Datsyuk, Legwand, to cite some recent examples, only play on the third and fourth lines in their rookie seasons? Nope.

I would not be surprised to see several NHL teams next season work at least three rookie forwards into the lineup before season's end, and a significant number of them will be seeing time on their team's top two lines.


datsyuk did.
 

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A rookie 1st line center?? He's good but I'd start him a bit lower.

Why bother? I mean, if he's prized, let him play as much as possible. I'm not one who believes in the spoon feed method because it does more harm than good to a player's confidence. Get him out there and have him playing tons of minutes. That's the only he's going to get good. To be honest though, I'd prefer that the Flyers leave Carter and Richards in the AHL for a full season. Don't even call them up in an emergency. Give them a full year to learn the pro game. That's the best thing to do. It did a world of good for Pitkanen this year and it will only benefit the guys.
 

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Why bother? I mean, if he's prized, let him play as much as possible. I'm not one who believes in the spoon feed method because it does more harm than good to a player's confidence. Get him out there and have him playing tons of minutes. That's the only he's going to get good. To be honest though, I'd prefer that the Flyers leave Carter and Richards in the AHL for a full season. Don't even call them up in an emergency. Give them a full year to learn the pro game. That's the best thing to do. It did a world of good for Pitkanen this year and it will only benefit the guys.

I disagree. If you have a high scorer, 1 dimensional prospect and play him with top 6 minutes, the chance of his defensive game improvign are quite minimal. "spoon feeding" is a good way to round out a players game.
 

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I disagree. If you have a high scorer, 1 dimensional prospect and play him with top 6 minutes, the chance of his defensive game improvign are quite minimal. "spoon feeding" is a good way to round out a players game.

That's fine if your prospect is a one dimensional player. However, Carter has good defensive skills and I don't think the need is there to spoonfeed him his minutes. Let him run with it and see what he can do. There's definitely no harm in allowing it to happen. But like I said though, I think he and Richards would benefit from spending a year in the AHL. There's nothing wrong with the learning curve there and will only make them that much better.
 

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John Flyers Fan said:
For the Flyers:

Niittymanki is guaranteed a spot.

Jeff Carter is next to a lock.

Mike Richards will also likely be a Flyer next year, and if not him possibly R.J. Umberger.


Man are you guys loaded!!! I didn't realize that they had Umberger as well!!! Philly Hockey should be in good hands with all 3 of these guys in the near future!!!


EDIT-what are your thoughts on Patrick Sharp??? I see that he's rated as the Flyers 5th best prospect and 4th best Center, what is your opinion of him??? Is he a 3rd/4th line NHL player eventually or a 2nd line type of a guy???
 
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Bryanbryoil said:
EDIT-what are your thoughts on Patrick Sharp??? I see that he's rated as the Flyers 5th best prospect and 4th best Center, what is your opinion of him??? Is he a 3rd/4th line NHL player eventually or a 2nd line type of a guy???


Sharp will be a winger for the Flyers. He's a good all-around player and will start his career on the 3rd/4th lines. IMO he has the ability to eventually become a 2nd line winger.
 

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I'd say one of O'Sullivan or Koivu. Harding.

I'd put Veilleux at close to a lock.
Koivu might be on the list. I think he could earn a spot.
Wallin or Wanvig would probably round out the list.
IMO, O'Sullivan is AHL-bound, assuming we actually get to sign him. :cry:
Harding needs more time in Houston.
 

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Sharp will be a winger for the Flyers. He's a good all-around player and will start his career on the 3rd/4th lines. IMO he has the ability to eventually become a 2nd line winger.
I'm not in total agreement with you john.

I agree he'll be a 3rd liner to start, as he's proved he could play it already, but i don't see him being a second liner...well maybe. See this is the way i see it. He has the potential to be a 20 goal 40 point kinda guy who has selke potential on the third line. But i think he might be able to play on the 2nd line, but only with good players with him. I don't see him as the type to carry or lead a 2nd line. His skating will allow him to more than keep up with any situation really and he has underrated vision and offensive capabilities, but i feel like his tendency to constantly drop back and play D and his lack of "top notch" offensive capabilities will prevent him from being a leader of the 2nd line, but rather a very competent 2nd line complement type player.

I like sharp a large amount though, i must say. While i may have seemed to say his defensive dropping back and lack of top notch offensive abilities as somewhat of a negative, i don't see it as a negative really, i see him as extremely versatile both offensively and defensively, i feel like he is more than just the "role" player a lot of people see him as.
 

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ceber said:
I'd put Veilleux at close to a lock.
Koivu might be on the list. I think he could earn a spot.
Wallin or Wanvig would probably round out the list.
IMO, O'Sullivan is AHL-bound, assuming we actually get to sign him. :cry:
Harding needs more time in Houston.

Yeah, I agree with you about Veilleux as he seems to be closer than anyone else. I also believe Koivu and Wanvig will be in MN . Harding - there's just no way he'll be ready anytime soon.

Not so sure about Wallin either, although he's a possibility, for sure. A talented guy and I'd like to see him do well...but I fear he may be forever in the shadow of Mikko, [although I don't feel it's because it's deserved...I just think it's the way it'll go - but I hope I'm wrong].

Also...my "sleeper" pick for whenever the next season starts - RYAN STOKES :clap: :jump:
 

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CrossCheck said:
I'd like to hear people regarding this thread about :

D Kurtis Foster
D Denis Grebeshkov (dont mind my avatar!!!)
RW Timofei Shishkanov
RW Kyle Wanvig

Thanks

Grebeshkov, from what I've heard, still makes way too many gaffs in the defensive zone to earn a "lock" on D. We already have someone who does that, named Corvo.
 

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Tampa Bay:
Ryan Craig and Evgeni Arthukin are about the only 2 tampa prospects close to getting NHL time,but they may need another year in the AHL.

Detroit:
Kronwall, Franzen, Joey Macdonald, Grigorenko

With a little more seasoning Hudler, Filpulla, Jamtin, Valtonen, and possibly Tolsa and Matt Ellis could earn some NHL time in the next 2 years. I somehow doubt they'll bring Tolsa over because of his age though.
 

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GoBoltz56 said:
Tampa Bay:
Ryan Craig and Evgeni Arthukin are about the only 2 tampa prospects close to getting NHL time,but they may need another year in the AHL.

Detroit:
Kronwall, Franzen, Joey Macdonald, Grigorenko

With a little more seasoning Hudler, Filpulla, Jamtin, Valtonen, and possibly Tolsa and Matt Ellis could earn some NHL time in the next 2 years. I somehow doubt they'll bring Tolsa over because of his age though.

I think it's possible to see Bootland up with Detroit, in a 4th line RW agitator role.
 

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another Jackets prospect watcher could fill the blanks in for the jackets better, but i know the GM has expressed that he wants Pascal Leclaire in Columbus as backup next year, as Arturs Irbe's contract ran up through the locked season.
 

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CrossCheck said:
I'd like to hear people regarding this thread about :

D Kurtis Foster
D Denis Grebeshkov (dont mind my avatar!!!)
RW Timofei Shishkanov
RW Kyle Wanvig

Thanks

Foster actually should end up in Anaheim. Not only because of how well he has played this year but also because of his age he would have to go through waivers to make it to the AHL.

78 games 17 goals 29 assists 42 points +16 with 71 pims
6'5 D-Man

The Ducks will definetly take a look at him on their third pair/powerplay specialist.

There should be room for both Foster and Popovic in Anaheim.

Carney-Skoula
Vishnevski-Salei
Foster-Popovic

and if Salei becomes a UFA under the new CBA's rules then another spot opens up possibly for Smid to step right into the NHL.
 

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I'm going to slightly disagree about Immonen and Lundqvist being locks for the Rangers. I think both have excellent shots, but lack of North American experience might count against them. All things being equal, if the Rangers have Kevin Weekes (or a similar level NHL goalie), Lundqvist, Valiquette and Labarbera in camp in September, I mostly expect Lundqvist to at least start the year in Hartford. Labarbera and Valiquette have earned their shots at the Rangers because they've paid their dues in the organization. If you have that vet goalie there, it's as insurance. Lundqvist is great, but he faces long odds to make the team out of camp.

Immonen.. well, who knows. He has a better shot than Henrik does just because of his position. The Rangers are gonna have enough young talent vying for those forward positions that it will be interesting.

The guys I think are locks? Well, Tyutin is obvious.

I think that if Lampman, Giroux and Wiseman don't make moves for regular NHL duty this year, they're never going to. So their locks to either break in, or disappear.

Balej is gonna have to re-prove himself, but I think he likely has a spot.

Garth Murray is going to be with the big club next year in a checking capacity.
 

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datsyuk did.

What precisely does that mean?

I appreciate your detailed response to my post...but, despite it being perhaps the most laughable attempt at a sentence I've ever seen, Datsyuk did what.... Never played on the second line? Are you suggesting that Datsyuk never played on the second power play unit, for instance, as a rookie? I realize his line with Hull was not considered by many to be the second line on a Detroit powerhouse in his rookie year, but it certainly wasn't your average "third line" if that's the case...what line with Hull could be considered a "checking line"? I realized when I posted it that Datsyuk was considered a "third liner" as a rookie, but to be honest the last guy that I expected to refute it was a poster named Pavel Datsyuk. Oh well; good for a laugh, especially when that's all you had to say.
 

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turnbuckle said:
What precisely does that mean?

I appreciate your detailed response to my post...but, despite it being perhaps the most laughable attempt at a sentence I've ever seen, Datsyuk did what.... Never played on the second line? Are you suggesting that Datsyuk never played on the second power play unit, for instance, as a rookie? I realize his line with Hull was not considered by many to be the second line on a Detroit powerhouse in his rookie year, but it certainly wasn't your average "third line" if that's the case...what line with Hull could be considered a "checking line"? I realized when I posted it that Datsyuk was considered a "third liner" as a rookie, but to be honest the last guy that I expected to refute it was a poster named Pavel Datsyuk. Oh well; good for a laugh, especially when that's all you had to say.

The Hull line didn't come about until fairly late in the year. We had a "3D" line of Datsyuk, Devereaux, and Dandenault for most of the year on the 4th line before Bowman decided to split up the 600 goal scorers (Luc, Brett, and Stevie) [EDIT - that's not to say those three were all on the same line, but that some combination of 2 or more were often out there] and put them all on separate lines. Hull liked Datsyuk's passing abilities and he Pavel and Boyd became "Two Kids and a Goat v.1.0" Even then Fedorov and Draper had priority over Datsyuk on the center spot even strength and for the PK. Yes, Pavel did get secondary minutes on the PP, but he was far from a traditional top 6 guy his rookie year. He picked up minutes late in the regular season seeing as it was a runaway President's season, but come playoff time Scotty rode his vets and Pavel's minutes dropped by 3 minutes/game.

So the succinct "datsyuk did." is pretty much a way of saying "Pavel got a hint at top 6 play but for the overwhelming majority of his rookie year that was not the case."
 
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