Kyle McMahon
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I'm confident Roenick will get in. As Andreychuk proved, 500 goals and 1000 points are still revered benchmarks that the committee has no ability to evaluate with any context.
I'm confident Roenick will get in. As Andreychuk proved, 500 goals and 1000 points are still revered benchmarks that the committee has no ability to evaluate with any context.
Hayley Wickenheiser should get in without waiting period.
There's litterally no reason to have MSL wait white Alfie gets in. None.
Unless you're in that #MAGA crowd.
I think MSL should be a lock, but all along the way he's been the kind of guy the hockey establishment underrates, so I wouldn't bet my life that he gets in immediately. If someone says to you, "Alfredsson was a better player", can you 100% unequivocally say Alfredsson doesn't have a case? He does. He was much better defensively, despite not having the two big spikes he scored more points per game over a larger sample, didn't score the majority of his points in the weakest division in the NHL, and has a better leadership reputation.
If somebody tells me that Alfredson was a better player, I just don't bother to listen what that other person has to say, a bit as if someone comes up with the idea that Curtis Joseph and Tommy Salo were similar goalies.
Let's not exaggerate here.
It's true that over almost the exact same time span, Alfredsson scored more per game and for more games. Is St. Louis automatically better only on the basis that his two best seasons were higher spikes than Alfredsson's two best?
I rank St. Louis higher too, but isn't it worth reviewing exactly why that is?
Alfredsson scored more because the team he joined had a clue about what they had.
- In 1997, Martin St. Louis was cut from his tryout in the Ottawa Senators training camp and not offered a contract.
I had no idea about this.
Really says a lot for the skill of the scouts.Might as well post it before (probably) the last article mentioning it disappears.
Martin St. Louis: 'Earned everything I got' in NHL
"St. Louis went from being an undrafted player who was cut from his training-camp tryout with the Ottawa Senators in 1997 to a player who won the Stanley Cup, an Olympic gold medal, the Hart Trophy, the Art Ross Trophy twice and the Lady Byng Trophy three times. He finished his career with 391 goals, 642 assists and 1,033 points in 1,134 games."
It's true that over almost the exact same time span, Alfredsson scored more per game and for more games. Is St. Louis automatically better only on the basis that his two best seasons were higher spikes than Alfredsson's two best?
I would say - unequivocally - Martin St. Louis is a better hockey player than Daniel Alfredsson. Two scoring titles and a runner-up finish, along with five All-Star selections to Alfredsson's one at the exact same position over the same period of time?
Really says a lot for the skill of the scouts.
Jacques Demers has a losing record in the regular season. How many coaches with losing NHL records are in the Hockey Hall of Fame?
Jacques Demers - Wikipedia
i'll add, while adjusted stats are hardly scientific, MSL does have four adjusted seasons higher than alfredsson's best, and a fifth season one point behind it.
MSL has as many adjusted 90 point seasons as alfredsson has adjusted 80 point seasons.
if you put their adjusted seasons one-by-one next to each other, you have to go all the way down to year eleven to see a season that alfredsson beats MSL (in their respective 11th best years, alfredsson has 66 points, MSL has 60; in their 10th best years, MSL has 77 points, alfie has 74).
hell, MSL has as many actual 90 points seasons as alfredsson has actual 80 point seasons, which of course doesn't even count his second art ross season because it was during the abbreviated lockout year.
i also don't think alfredsson was demonstrably better defensively than MSL was, but am open to hearing arguments. from what i saw, they were both excellent. and as speculative evidence, i put a lot of stock in the fact that MSL initially stuck in the league in calgary and tampa as a defensive third line guy and high usage PKer. it couldn't have been easy to earn and keep that spot as a 5'7 guy. i feel like if he'd never exploded offensively he could have racked up more top 5-10 selke finishes than just the one career year gimme. but i bet alfredsson could have too.