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My only regret is that I didn't think harder about making it a catchy sentenceRiddarn said:Ouch! Buuurn!
Next Great Goalie Final!!!!!!!!
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An Ape called Yoko said:
Unlike your comparison, mine isn't abstract, and can be counted due to that
err, hrm. see this kind of stuff is tough. honestly lehtonen is at the point of getting seriously overrated, he's good but he's not god. things shouldn't just be like "hear a name and automatically say he's amazing and better than everyone else".
I'd have to say that IMO i think the two are probably pretty close in terms of what they could become...all-star or even franchise goalies. lundqvist has only gotten better every year...better playing style, he works very hard to improve his game and isn't just happy to win (you can bet he wasn't happy about yesterdays game against canada even though he won). the guy is great on breakaways and has stopped many NHL star players on them...he's just damn good, he does deserve some press.
lehtonen is good also though and he does get the benefit of playing in NA...
so i dunno, i'll have to think about it a little...i want to be a homer and vote lundqvist but then again, i don't want to be a homer
and remember this poll is about who will be the next great goalie...not who's already in the NHL. raycroft is a good goalie obviously but is he really "the next great goalie"? i don't think he has that upside
I'd have to say that IMO i think the two are probably pretty close in terms of what they could become...all-star or even franchise goalies. lundqvist has only gotten better every year...better playing style, he works very hard to improve his game and isn't just happy to win (you can bet he wasn't happy about yesterdays game against canada even though he won). the guy is great on breakaways and has stopped many NHL star players on them...he's just damn good, he does deserve some press.
lehtonen is good also though and he does get the benefit of playing in NA...
so i dunno, i'll have to think about it a little...i want to be a homer and vote lundqvist but then again, i don't want to be a homer
and remember this poll is about who will be the next great goalie...not who's already in the NHL. raycroft is a good goalie obviously but is he really "the next great goalie"? i don't think he has that upside
mattihp
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Levitate said:err, hrm. see this kind of stuff is tough. honestly lehtonen is at the point of getting seriously overrated, he's good but he's not god. things shouldn't just be like "hear a name and automatically say he's amazing and better than everyone else".
I'd have to say that IMO i think the two are probably pretty close in terms of what they could become...all-star or even franchise goalies. lundqvist has only gotten better every year...better playing style, he works very hard to improve his game and isn't just happy to win (you can bet he wasn't happy about yesterdays game against canada even though he won). the guy is great on breakaways and has stopped many NHL star players on them...he's just damn good, he does deserve some press.
lehtonen is good also though and he does get the benefit of playing in NA...
so i dunno, i'll have to think about it a little...i want to be a homer and vote lundqvist but then again, i don't want to be a homer
and remember this poll is about who will be the next great goalie...not who's already in the NHL. raycroft is a good goalie obviously but is he really "the next great goalie"? i don't think he has that upside
Also a question... Which season hasn't Kari gotten better after?
Well, tell me when he gets some experience from senior nationals 
Doesn't prove much to me until you've played nationals against the best players. Lundqvist has proven he can handle international play and Lehtonen has not imo.
Doesn't prove much to me until you've played nationals against the best players. Lundqvist has proven he can handle international play and Lehtonen has not imo.
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Lundqvist does not prove he's a better goalie before he's played in the best league in the worldreaper said:Well, tell me when he gets some experience from senior nationals
Not saying he is better. Just saying it's ridicolous to say Lehtonen is better by a mile and such. They are both great goalies and will probably be big stars. Give both players credits. Just because Lundqvist hasn't played in NHL yet doesn't say he is not a good goalie. Sure, it will be a new test to play in NHL but the world championships have many great players and he can handle that level. Give creds to both players, they are both good, saying anything else is just bs.
mattihp
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I didn't say he wasn't a good goalie. I used the reverse argument of the fact that you said.reaper said:
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It is not unusual for a low round pick (8th)
Lundqvist has improved every year. He must come over and show he can now do it in N.A.
to not get any respect. Lehtonen on the other hand was a high pick. I guess people feel that the experts can't be wrong and that there has to be something wrong with the swede, or he's just been lucky. People I think fail to realize that goalies, like dmen, mature at a later age. Many of the great goalies in the NHL cameo f age in their 20's, mid to late.E = CH² said:
Lundqvist has improved every year. He must come over and show he can now do it in N.A.
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Lehtonen has also improved every year, and his fast improvement made his team want to bring him over as early as possible.ATLANTARANGER said:
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Lundqvist
Both are good goalies, can you lose with either one? I vote Lundqvist cause no goalie in the World has done what he has done lately against premier competition.
Both are good goalies, can you lose with either one? I vote Lundqvist cause no goalie in the World has done what he has done lately against premier competition.
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For heaven's sake! There have been many goalies who've been dominant in their league and/or at the world championships but haven't accomplished anything in NA... There's a reason why most scouts and most of the press rate Lehtonen among the top 5 prospects... He was 18 when he dominated in the finnish elite league... 18... And now he's the best goalie of the AHL... Lundqvist has proven nothing in comparison to Lehtonen... It really is a bit ridiculous to compare these two... I think, now that Fleury has again faltered under pressure, it's safe to say that Lehtonen is in a league of his own... I might consider adding Lundvist to the 5-10 top goalie prospects, but certainly not any higher before he has shown something in NA...
So clearly:
LEHTONEN
So clearly:
LEHTONEN
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But y u mad?
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You 'Orns!
Das Rancor said:
Now I voted for Lehtonen, but this is ridiculous. Lundqvist's experience in Sweden is very similar to Lehtonen's in Finland. Lehtonen was younger when he dominated the SM-Liiga, sure, but Lundqvist faced tougher competition this past season. The biggest difference between what they've acheived is that Lehtonen put on a show in the men's league at 18, and Lundqvist has had a slower road. He started playing in the SEL at 19, started playing out of his skin at 20, and started dominating at 21.
Sure, Lundqvist has not played in NA, which leaves you with a doubt as to his ability to adjust, but would anyone seriously suggest that being the best goalie in the AHL this season is more impressive than being the best goalie in the SEL this season?
I agree with those who say that Lehtonen is the best, but Lundqvist is definitely up amongst the best.
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007 said:
I would... The AHL is the number one show case for young players who want to make it to the NHL... The players have something to prove... The SEL might have been full of NHLers, but the question is how hard did they try? And they had to adjust to the swedish game aswell... Oh yeah... Tim Thomas totally dominated in the finnish SM-Liiga this season... With a couple of NHL goalies playing way worse than him... Success in Europe doesn't mean success in NA...
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And vice versa.Das Rancor said:
What do they need to prove while there is no NHL ?Das Rancor said:
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