agentblack
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Yeah its sucks too cause he should easily have 110-115 pts this year, he started and ended slow and he was hurt , just 3 pts shy!!? missed out on art ross imo.
Nathan MacKinnon-Hart Trophy Watch
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Yeah its sucks too cause he should easily have 110-115 pts this year, he started and ended slow and he was hurt , just 3 pts shy!!? missed out on art ross imo.
SoundwaveIsCharisma
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You can't convince me that the league doesn't have an Eastern Conference bias. If it's at all close it'll go to the EC guy vs. the WC guy.
Giroux should be nowhere near the discussion. He had plenty of help. Same for Kucherov and Malkin. McDavid shouldn't be in because he got hot when the Oilers were completely out of the playoffs.
JoeSakic13
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Although I'm not gonna be shocked if Hall gets the trophy due to the well-known EC bias, I'm just glad McDavid isn't in the finalists because then I get to read **** hurt articles like this:
NHL voters went with their hearts, not their heads, in Hart Trophy voting
NHL voters went with their hearts, not their heads, in Hart Trophy voting
agentblack
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Have to admit as much as i want Mack to win, to see Hall win after all the grief he got in EDM would be nice to see.
Hey gang, Pens fan here. Thought you might enjoy this . . .
SoundwaveIsCharisma
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Edmonton fans are obnoxious. McDavid for Hart? Why because he got fed minutes to stat pad when his team had nothing to play for anymore? Because he led his team from the bottom of the league to...the bottom of the league!? McDavid's been in the league 3 years now and his team has been a lottery team 2/3 years. Not, just barely missing out on the playoffs, but clearly not being a playoff team.
We get it, you lucked into the league's best player, but he doesn't deserve the MVP award because he hasn't led your team anywhere.
We get it, you lucked into the league's best player, but he doesn't deserve the MVP award because he hasn't led your team anywhere.
No player would be able to drag the Oilers out of that tire fire, but I do agree he shouldn't be in the running for Hart. It's the most valuable to the team... if the Oilers lost McDavid they would still be the bottom of the league, albeit with a worse record. There are plenty of other trophies to show that he's the best player in the league with the Art Ross, Rocket and Lindsay.
JoeSakic13
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This.
My view on the Hart is that it should go to the guy who's most valuable to his team's success. If your team doesn't have any success, you shouldn't be getting the MVP trophy. Does that mean that Lemieux probably shouldn't have won it in '87? Yeah it kinda does. Sorry Super Mario.
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The Oilers finished 23rd overall. The team probably played like 20 to 30 meaningless games. I know it's not on Mcdavid but the team wasn't even close and were completely irrelevant for more than half of the season. There's no way he's going to win the MVP when that happens unless he blows away the scoring race
agentblack
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McDavid is going to Gretz on the league in due time anyway , he's gonna win plenty of Harts Oil fans need to chill
Foppberg
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Hart is about regular season team success, Lindsay is about individual play. That's how I see the difference between the two.
JoeSakic13
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Agreed, which is why I'm glad to see Mc and Mac go head-to-head on this award. All 3 of the finalists I feel could have a legitimate shot to take it and I wouldn't question whoever takes home the Lindsay.
cgf
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The Hart has traditional been a most spectacular player to have had enough team success to make the playoffs. This is a pretty rare thing to have three guys up for it without any of them having claimed the Ross or Rocket. When was the last time that the highest finish in the scoring race of the finalists was low as MacK’s?
They won 36 games, without him, they would get way less than that.
Why should he get penalized for having a terrible team around him?
That's what the Lindsey award is for. The best player. Individual accomplishment. McDavid deserves that accolade.
The Hart trophy is for most valuable player to their team.
Without McDavid Edmonton still finishes bottom 1/3rd of the league, without MacKinnon the Avs finish right there with them not in the playoffs. Thus making MacKinnon more valuable to his team, this season, than McDavid.
Sure it sucks for McDavid, but you can't tell me that his roster is any worse than the roster the Avs put on the ice this year. Difference is MacKinnon drove us and wouldn't let us miss the playoffs. McDavid's team packed it in, in about February. MVPs don't allow their team to pack it in, 3 months before the end of the season.
McDavid was really valuable to his team, could argue most valuable, how can you not. He passes both eye test and metric test. He blew everyone away on EV points this year and how can anyone that watch the Oilers think “he’s not valuable”? Oilers roster is crap, they would be ranked near 31st without him.
I think MacKinnon is the front runner for Hart, with Hall 2nd. However, if Avs lost the final game and don’t make the playoffs, I think Hall is the winner. Which makes no sense, I find the playoff argument for voting who wins the MVP is stupid in every sport. McDavid is getting the Mike Trout treatment, getting penalized because his GM and coach are terrible.
I think MacKinnon is the front runner for Hart, with Hall 2nd. However, if Avs lost the final game and don’t make the playoffs, I think Hall is the winner. Which makes no sense, I find the playoff argument for voting who wins the MVP is stupid in every sport. McDavid is getting the Mike Trout treatment, getting penalized because his GM and coach are terrible.
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I think only one player has won the hart while not making the playoffs and that was Lemieux. McDavid should 100% win the Lindsay though imo.
I cant wait to see the balloting. Betting that McDavid was actually 4th or 5th, but because the only annouce 3 finalists, it looks like he was snubbed. It will be interesting to see how various Edmonton media voted....wonder if there will be a bunch of Giroux, Marchand, etc. 2nd and 3rd place votes to push the point totals of the true front runners down. I also wonder how many players end up with 1st place votes, and how many have 50% or more of the winner total points (say Nate wins with 400 points...how many guys have over 200...betting it will be a bunch, as there are a lot of guys that could be in the top 5, and homer votes will have more sway when voting is split up.
