Nashville - Poor Playoff Attendance and OLN Blackout

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Since you mentioned it, that excuse about empty seat due to the bridge being out is a lie! Preds fans could just jump the river in their Charger. :sarcasm:
 

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Since you mentioned it, that excuse about empty seat due to the bridge being out is a lie! Preds fans could just jump the river in their Charger. :sarcasm:

Yes, it works every time too. And my car never seems to be damaged. :dunno:

Hee-Haw, don't wear shoes, didn't get passed third grade, moonshine for breakfast.

And hey, what's this Internets I'm on? :help:
 

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Vancouver is not a very good sports city. When the teams are winning, they show up. When the teams are losing, the building is empty. That is for ALL sports - hockey included.

People always say this. It's simply not true. The Canucks have been a pretty bad team for almost their entire existence. The exceptions are, of course, recently and two and a bit seasons in the early nineties, but they've only failed to exceed the average league attendence 8 times. It took a team that only got 25 wins in an 80 game schedule before they dipped below league average for the first time.

Hell, Vancouver was 27th in the league in 1997-1998 and was above league average in attendence.
 

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SubCrid TC said:
People always say this. It's simply not true. The Canucks have been a pretty bad team for almost their entire existence. The exceptions are, of course, recently and two and a bit seasons in the early nineties, but they've only failed to exceed the average league attendence 8 times. It took a team that only got 25 wins in an 80 game schedule before they dipped below league average for the first time.

Hell, Vancouver was 27th in the league in 1997-1998 and was above league average in attendence.

I guess you forgot about the late 80s when there were threats of the team moving due to the crowds of 9,000 in Pacific Coliseum.
 

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And the same happened in Edmonton in the early 90s only a couple years after they had won their last cup.
Then why do both of those cities get a pass for poor attendance and Not Nashville which did sell out tonight BTW????
Here is Vancouver's Average attendance for the 80's
14534 80-81
12858
14206
13626
11147
10446
10406
11002
13772
15417 89-90

BTW the Pred have only been below the 10000 mark in like 8 games in their history
 

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You do realize the ammount of seats in the Pacfic Colliseum back then? Right? The era's were different too.
 

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You do realize the ammount of seats in the Pacfic Colliseum back then? Right? The era's were different too.

The amount of seats has nothing to do with average attendance of 10-12K particularly in a bigger market like Vancouver.
 

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Kinbote said:
And the same happened in Edmonton in the early 90s only a couple years after they had won their last cup.

Attendance did crash in Edmonton (Population ~800K), but not to the levels implied (ie 9000)

89-90 17008 Last Cup win
90-91 16843
91-92 16179
92-93 14797
93-94 13478
94-95 13124 From 1995 on, capacity became 16,839 after renovations
95-96 12335
96-97 16044
97-98 16245
98-99 16251
99-00 15802
00-01 15612
01-02 16539
02-03 16657
03-04 17678 (Outdoor game 66,000 or whatever)
05-06 16833 All but one game sold out
 

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Trizent said:
Attendance did crash in Edmonton (Population ~800K), but not to the levels implied (ie 9000)

89-90 17008 Last Cup win
90-91 16843
91-92 16179
92-93 14797
93-94 13478
94-95 13124 From 1995 on, capacity became 16,839 after renovations
95-96 12335
96-97 16044
97-98 16245
98-99 16251
99-00 15802
00-01 15612
01-02 16539
02-03 16657
03-04 17678 (Outdoor game 66,000 or whatever)
05-06 16833 All but one game sold out

Where are you finding all these figures?
 

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People always say this. It's simply not true. The Canucks have been a pretty bad team for almost their entire existence. The exceptions are, of course, recently and two and a bit seasons in the early nineties, but they've only failed to exceed the average league attendence 8 times. It took a team that only got 25 wins in an 80 game schedule before they dipped below league average for the first time.

Hell, Vancouver was 27th in the league in 1997-1998 and was above league average in attendence.

Don't get angry at them, they're just jealous that we have an ocean and mountains where we can go from snowboarding to sailing in less than an hour whenever we want ;)
 

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Don't get angry at them, they're just jealous that we have an ocean and mountains where we can go from snowboarding to sailing in less than an hour whenever we want ;)

:shakehead

Sorry, I'll take the prosperity of Alberta over the poverty of BC any day. You can go snowboarding and sailing "whenever you want" because you are unemployed. ;)
 

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PortlandRanger said:
You do realize the ammount of seats in the Pacfic Colliseum back then? Right? The era's were different too.

Your post makes no sense at all. Pacific Coliseum held over 16,000 and the only difference with the era was that the Canucks sucked quite badly.
 

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Wow, you guys are talking about Basketball. Isn't that the game where the last team with the ball wins and don't bother getting your snacks and beverages together, there's enough time-outs in the last couple of minute to go to the grocery store and you still get back to find out that you only missed .02 seconds.
If anybody prefers to watch that, well the don't deserve a hockey team or be able to watch hockey on TV. They're just stupid. :shakehead
 

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HeShootseyScores said:
I've thought this as well, but I've been told that it takes time. More than the 8 years they've been here.

Buffalo is a hockey town from college all the way down to pee wee level. Every kid growing up plays hockey or at least has a net in their driveway or plays pickup hockey on the neighborhood street or frozen pond. Those sold out seats at HSBC arena in the playoffs are not inhabited by corporations.....it's just regular fans.

I'm kinda' surprised to hear about Nashville though. Seemed like they had a pretty rabid fan base, albeit smaller than the northern hockey cities.
 

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zman said:
Buffalo is a hockey town from college all the way down to pee wee level. Every kid growing up plays hockey or at least has a net in their driveway or plays pickup hockey on the neighborhood street or frozen pond. Those sold out seats at HSBC arena in the playoffs are not inhabited by corporations.....it's just regular fans.

I'm kinda' surprised to hear about Nashville though. Seemed like they had a pretty rabid fan base, albeit smaller than the northern hockey cities.

[broken record]the fan base is fine, and about on par with many of the younger NHL markets, the problem is a complete cold shoulder from the corporate community, something ALL franchises count on in varying degrees. look at joe louis arena, there are scores of empty seats in the lower bowl during the regular season, despite it being called a sellout. these are corporate no-shows.[/broken record]

Apparently, whatever wakeup call the team gave the community paid off at least in part, as quite a few businesses did end up buying blocks of tickets for last night's game.
 

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nomorekids said:
[broken record]the fan base is fine, and about on par with many of the younger NHL markets, the problem is a complete cold shoulder from the corporate community, something ALL franchises count on in varying degrees. look at joe louis arena, there are scores of empty seats in the lower bowl during the regular season, despite it being called a sellout. these are corporate no-shows.[/broken record]

Apparently, whatever wakeup call the team gave the community paid off at least in part, as quite a few businesses did end up buying blocks of tickets for last night's game.

His point was that Buffalo fans are packing up the HSBC arena and not so much corporations.
 

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PortlandRanger said:
His point was that Buffalo fans are packing up the HSBC arena and not so much corporations.


but there's no way to prove that, unless he has a breakdown of who is buying the tickets. EVERY arena in the NHL sells the bulk of its suites and lower bowl seats to businesses. Usually in the advertising deal, whatever business is purchasing space on the rink wall usually throws a block of tickets into the price as well. I've spoken at length about this with the Devils marketing director.
 

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nomorekids said:
but there's no way to prove that, unless he has a breakdown of who is buying the tickets. EVERY arena in the NHL sells the bulk of its suites and lower bowl seats to businesses. Usually in the advertising deal, whatever business is purchasing space on the rink wall usually throws a block of tickets into the price as well. I've spoken at length about this with the Devils marketing director.

I didn't know the Devils had a marketing director.. :)
 

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Then why do both of those cities get a pass for poor attendance and Not Nashville which did sell out tonight BTW????

Becuase you are trying to compare an up and coming team that had home ice this year, and has made the playoffs the past two seasons to a team that was a joke for pretty much its entire first 20 years?

Why not try comparing Nashville attendance the past two seasons to the Canucks and Oilers emerging out of long stretches of being bad? You know? An apples-to-apples comparison?
 

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Resolute said:
Becuase you are trying to compare an up and coming team that had home ice this year, and has made the playoffs the past two seasons to a team that was a joke for pretty much its entire first 20 years?

Why not try comparing Nashville attendance the past two seasons to the Canucks and Oilers emerging out of long stretches of being bad? You know? An apples-to-apples comparison?


That's still not apples to apples. Edmonton and Vancouver are cities where, almost since their inception, kids have grown up playing hockey. Nashville is a city where, up until 8 years ago, only kids in rich suburbs like Brentwood and Franklin even had the chance to play hockey. The seed was there to begin with in Vancouver, Edmonton....pretty much any Canadian city. Unless you're trying to argue that hockey doesn't belong in a city that doesn't readily embrace it from the onset(in which case, that's fodder for a whole other thread entirely), you can't really compare Nashville and Vancouver. In fact, I think Vancouver was only brought up because someone said something about fans there supporting the team rain or shine, which was proven not to be true.

The bottom line...attendance in Nashville was up this year. The seventh biggest increase in the league. Two of the three home games in the playoffs sold out, and one was only a couple hundred 100 dollar + tickets from selling out. Baby steps, I know...but we've come a long way since even 2002-03, where 9500 nights were not uncommon. You wouldn't notice that there's slow, steady progress unless you've been watching all along.
 

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nomorekids said:
Blah blah, yada yada, blah blah

It is, actually, an apples to apples comparison. You are simply explaining (excusing?) why Nashville loses that comparison. I'm not arguing Nashville's right to exist one way or another, simply pointing out why the complaint about other markets getting off easier is invalid.

Especially since, as was noted, people most certantly were questioning those franchises futures at that time.

So stop crying becuase you guys are being treated exactly as they were 10 and 20 years ago.

As far as your increase over last season goes, congrats. Hope it improves. Doesnt change the fact that Nashville was still 25th, and aside from the Devils, the only teams behind them were so absolutely pitiful that watching them play could be called torture.

Doesn't change the fact that the buisness community in Nashville does not seem to have jumped on the bandwagon.

Until these things improve, Nashville will always be questioned. Just like Edmonton was. Just like Calgary. Just like Phoenix. Just like everyone else.
 

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nomorekids said:
Two of the three home games in the playoffs sold out, and one was only a couple hundred 100 dollar + tickets from selling out.

Oh, and really?

The GEC holds 17,113 for hockey.

Game 1:17,113
Game 2: 16,707
Game 5: 16,061

Seems to me that Nashville didn't come close to selling out yesterday. Unless, of course, they closed off a couple sections...
 

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