Part 2 in the on-going saga:
IWantSakicAsMyGM said:
Now up? Duchene and Varly have 3 years left. Landeskog has 5 years left. EJ hasn't even played a game on his new contract yet.
The consistent narrative in this thread has been that the Avs won't be contenders until next season, 2017-18. That leaves precisely one year to prove to Varlamov and Duchene that the team is worth staying on beyond Summer 2019. Sakic's never shown an appetite to best the market in terms of salary, so if he can't sell the team on its merits (re: none) and if he won't overpay, that's bye-bye and the start of a fresh rebuild.
Soda has a cap hit of $4.75m. ROR has a cap hit of $7.5m. That's a $2.75m difference, not $1.8m.
$900K of that is that eaten up by Grigorenko, ergo $1.8M in savings.
Winning the Central 3 years ago apparently means we're worse than a team that hasn't been to the playoffs in 10 years.
Winning the Central 3 years ago is a distant memory to all but Avs fans, and it's fading in the rearview with every passing season. Colorado is not a threat today. If they're not in 3 years when Barrie, Duchene and Varlamov all get to pick their destinations, that's Rebuild 2.0- and another five years. Sakic may well make the Browns look
good.
Why is it such a problem that the team traded 1 very good player for 4 players to help in the future? We knew it was a futures trade, not sure why you want to judge the outcome based solely on the year following the trade.
Because the Avs are supposed to be winning now? Sakic structured his team that way. If you don't want folks to draw that inference, you should be upset at him for building his team that way, not at me for pointing it out.
Sakic wasn't involved in the initial contract negotiations that led to the holdout/offersheet. He wasn't the one that caused the issues, no matter how many times you repeat this.
That's some awful nice revisionist history, and it's time we dug into it. As noted
here, Sakic was part of the front office who low-balled O'Reilly with a five-year $17 MILLION contract leading up to the offer sheet. That's insulting for a player of his caliber, and no wonder he was interested in reaching UFA as soon as possible.
Oh, and what happened less than 60 days later? As a reward for his incompetence, Sakic was appointed EVP of Hockey Operations!
Sakic created the situation, poured gas on it with the two-year extension he later gave and then lit the match when he traded him for magic beans. You can hand-wave away the truth and point fingers at other GMs who preceded him, but that's not what happened.
Who said he put us in a tight position? That quote was specifically answering a claim that the Avs have an internal budget.
Then Sakic should be able to re-sign the kid, right? What else is the problem? Oh right, we know what it is- he's cheap. I'm glad that cfg clarified that for everyone.
He was employed with the team, but didn't take over as the GM until 2013. Or do you think that he was fully in charge from the beginning?
So as an Executive Advisor you believe Joe Sakic did no advising. Wow, that's a hell of a black mark against him if true. Although, to be fair, he he hasn't exactly done much managing, either- just reacting, long after the train has left the station and he's forced to bargain from a weakened position.
The Lightning have 0 NHL games played by players drafted after 2013. The Blackhawks have 8 NHL games played by players they drafted after 2012. The Canadiens have 1 NHL game since 2013. The Penguins have 30 NHL games since 2012. Not sure why you think 40 NHL games somehow proves that our scouting staff is completely inept.
None of Tampa, Chicago or Montreal have drafted as consistently low as Colorado has since 2013. They had ample opportunity to best the league's other scouting staffs on position alone, and you'd kind of hope that they'd do better than a team that hasn't had a first rounder in two years (cough Chicago cough). However, that's not the case- hell, they blow 1st rounders, never mind second-day picks.
But no, nothing wrong with the Avalanche scouting under Sakic... not a thing.
ROR scored 1 more point than Duchene in 5 more games. Definitely earned the extra $1.5m.
With the added intangibles ROR brings? Absolutely. Or are Avs fans now trying to wipe that under the rug?
So, because the futures didn't pay off in year 1, it's an abject failure? Zadorov looks ready for top 4 duty. Grigorenko looks like he could be a top 6 forward. Compher just finished a very good junior year at Michigan and signed his ELC. Greer just signed his ELC.
And O'Reilly scored 60 points. Next.
What poor record? Trading ROR for a better return than most on HF were predicting and trying to build a team for the future? Getting rid of the AHL caliber D he inherited?
When you have to defer to HF as a group for expectations on anything, you've surely lost. You're letting this place blind you. If the Trade forum immediately decided Crosby for Glass was fair, does that mean the Pens did well trading him for Josh Bailey?
Sure, if ROR were willing to sign for $6m, Soderberg wouldn't have been needed. But, ROR wanted $8m to stay in Denver. Soderberg is a significanly better value for the money we spent on him.
So great a value that the Avs finished with eight less points as a team. Boy, Sakic really put those dollars he saved to good use.
Sakic has done a number of good things for the team, to prepare them for long term success.
Apparently he's forgotten teams also eventually need success today.
You seem to think that trading ROR somehow ruined the team's future. Looking back at franchise history, the Avs traded Eric Lindros for futures. Remind me again how that turned out for the team.
So if it's such a great practice, the Avs should immediately trade Duchene, Landeskog and Johnson for prospects 2+ years from the NHL, right?
They are both signed for 3 more years. Duchene loves the Avs, and will likely be here for his entire career.
Money talks- apparently a language Sakic doesn't know.
Varlamov is good, but not irreplaceable.
So why did Sakic drop such a hefty paycheck on him?
When we discredit the contents of your post, you ignore it and double down on your incorrect claims.
Apparently all facts that paint Joe Sakic in a less-than-flattering light as a GM are incorrect. Good to know.
Top 2 eh....wasn't even a Top 4 in New Jersey
