Most Dominant Offensive Stretches (3 Years)

67Leafs67

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I was wondering if anybody has any data on the most dominant offensive stretches in NHL history (of about three years). I noticed that Gretzky, between 81/82 and 83/84, scored at a rate (2.62 PPG) 154.58% (2.52/1.69) better than the second best player (Mike Bossy - 1.69 PPG)! That's insane! He outscored players #2-11 in that stretch by a rate of 183.48%! Did Gretzky have an even more dominant stretch? How do other players productions compare?

Mario Lemieux, between 91/92 and 93/94 outscored Pat LaFontaine's rate by 136.18%, not too bad. Sidney Crosby outproduced his teammate Malkin by 133.69% between 10/11 and 12/13. Any other super impressive gaps like this?
 

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Given Howe's leads over 2nd place and the likelihood that a 6-team league yields a relatively weaker 10th place scoring total, Gordie would be a good bet from 51-53 or 52-54.
 

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for a defenseman, its Orr from 69-70 to 71-72

33-87-120 (76 points more than next closest D...120 v 44)
37-102-139 (76 points more than next closest D...139 v 63)
37-80-117 (44 points more than next closest D...117 v 73)

Those gaps arent against scrubs either, 70-71 was 76 points more than JC Trembley and 71-72 was 44 points more than Brad Park

1x Ross (2x 2nd in points behind teammate Espo)
3x led in assists
3x Hart
3x Norris
2x Smythe
 
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Though injured very often, between 1991 and 1994 (Counting reg season and playoffs) Cam Neely played in 75 games and scored 74 goals
 

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Paul Coffey had a pretty remarkable stretch from '83/84-'85/86. 239-125-260-385 +168. Playoff numbers during that span: 47-21-47-68.
'83/84: 80-40-86-126
2nd in points behind Gretzky
2nd in assists
19th in goals
30 more points than Bourque (86pts 14th overall)
'84/85: 80-37-84-121
4th in points
2nd in assists
28th in goals
35 more points than Bourque (86 pts 28th overall)
'85/86: 79-48-90-138
3rd in points
3rd in assists
7th in goals
56 more points than Howe (82 points 28th overall)
 
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BenchBrawl

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Just check VsX 3 years with consecutiveness.Someone line @Hockey Outsider might be able to help you out quickly with this one, but maybe not.

If you want strictly PPG, then just do the same but with VsXPPG 3 years with consecutiveness.

3 years is long enough that you will get the usual suspects at the top of your list.
 
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Just check VsX 3 years with consecutiveness.Someone line @Hockey Outsider might be able to help you out quickly with this one, but maybe not.

Here's the top 25 based on VsX over three consecutive years.

1Wayne Gretzky 160.5
2Phil Esposito 138.6
3Gordie Howe 137.7
4Bobby Orr 133.8
5Mario Lemieux 123.5
6Guy Lafleur 120.6
7Jaromir Jagr 115.6
8Stan Mikita 114.5
9Howie Morenz 112.9
10Charlie Conacher 112.4
11Jean Beliveau 110.6
12Bill Cowley 109.8
13Bobby Hull 109.3
14Marcel Dionne 109.1
15Ted Lindsay 106.0
16Andy Bathgate 105.3
17Bryan Trottier 105.3
18Sidney Crosby 105.2
19Dickie Moore 104.7
20Max Bentley 104.4
21Maurice Richard 103.3
22Joe Thornton 102.8
23Alex Ovechkin 101.9
24Bill Cook 101.8
25Syl Apps Sr 101.5
[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Pretty much "the usual suspects", as you suggested. Lemieux gets hurt due to the "consecutive" criteria (he loses out on 1993 and 1996). Cowley looks better than expected.
 

bambamcam4ever

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Here's the top 25 based on VsX over three consecutive years.

1Wayne Gretzky 160.5
2Phil Esposito 138.6
3Gordie Howe 137.7
4Bobby Orr 133.8
5Mario Lemieux 123.5
6Guy Lafleur 120.6
7Jaromir Jagr 115.6
8Stan Mikita 114.5
9Howie Morenz 112.9
10Charlie Conacher 112.4
11Jean Beliveau 110.6
12Bill Cowley 109.8
13Bobby Hull 109.3
14Marcel Dionne 109.1
15Ted Lindsay 106.0
16Andy Bathgate 105.3
17Bryan Trottier 105.3
18Sidney Crosby 105.2
19Dickie Moore 104.7
20Max Bentley 104.4
21Maurice Richard 103.3
22Joe Thornton 102.8
23Alex Ovechkin 101.9
24Bill Cook 101.8
25Syl Apps Sr 101.5
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Pretty much "the usual suspects", as you suggested. Lemieux gets hurt due to the "consecutive" criteria (he loses out on 1993 and 1996). Cowley looks better than expected.
What would Crosby's be if he was healthy 10-13?
 

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By HO's vsX of three consecutive REGULAR SEASONS,... Trottier is 16th, tied with Bathgate, just behind Lindsay, Dionne, Hull and Cowley.

I believe Trottier would make the top-10 list if you included the playoffs. He was otherworldly insane in the Isles first three Stanley Cups, 29 playoff points each postseason, leading the league twice in points, the other time in assists.

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Speaking of regular season, what do you think is more impressive -- Gretzky's 1981-82 through 1983-84, or his 1983-84 through 1985-86? (I guess you could also argue 1984-85 through 1986-87, as the 1986-87 was actually his greatest 'ratio' win in the scoring race, but anyway....)

Running the numbers:

1981-82 to 1983-84:
GP: 234
G: 250
A: 363
PTS: 613
PPG: 2.62
+217
Total points above 2nd leading scorer = 240
PPG above second-best = 0.93 PPG

1983-84 to 1985-86:
GP: 234
G: 212
A: 416
PTS: 628
PPG: 2.68
+245
Total points above 2nd leading scorer = 243 (Difference is 270 above next non-teammate.)
PPG above second-best = 0.92 (That's his linemate, Kurri. Next-best non-linemate/teammate is 1.07 PPG lower than Gretzky.)

You can flip a coin here... I think his 1981-82 might have been his most individually dominant season, however. Edmonton was a strong team for the first time that year, but the supporting cast still wasn't quite there (Anderson an exception maybe, peaking early). Gretzky's "real" on-ice goal differential that season was +143, and the next-best Oiler was at +89. He outscored the 2nd-best Oiler by 107 points that season!
 

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What would Crosby's be if he was healthy 10-13?

If we assume that Crosby maintained his per-game scoring rate, and nothing else changed, his three year score would have been 131 (which wouldn't only put him above Lafleur and Jagr, it would actually put him above Lemieux too - thanks to the "consecutive" criteria, which isn't good for #66.

I don't think it's appropriate to simply extrapolate his PPG over that entire period, but I think his three-year offensive peak would likely have matched Jagr's or Lafleur's.

By HO's vsX of three consecutive REGULAR SEASONS,... Trottier is 16th, tied with Bathgate, just behind Lindsay, Dionne, Hull and Cowley.

That's right, VsX is regular season only. I haven't found a good way to include the playoffs.
 

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