OT: Montreal Impact thread: Is it 2018 yet? edition

[JayKing]

Man I wish we could've dumped Oduro somewhere today.

 

[Skip Bayless]

I'm in the 'Doesn't give a shit about TFC winning the cup' crew

 

[JunglePete]

Kamara to Vancouver
Walker Zimmermann to LAFC
Zardes possibly to Columbus

 

[JunglePete]

Didn't say it was stupid or that it didn't work. I said they badly overpaid based on market value. Bradley isn't worth 5M a year. They overpaid because they could and it worked. Good for them. IMFC, and the overwhelming majority of MLS teams, cannot do that. TFC used its competitive advantage and built a great team. Once again, good for them.

He's got a point tho, there is no such thing as overpaying when you win it all. Now if you think he isnt worth 5M a year, that's on you and is entirely subjective.

 

[Michelangelo]

Kamara to Vancouver
Walker Zimmermann to LAFC
Zardes possibly to Columbus

Nobody to IMFC

Surprise, surprise

 

[JunglePete]

Nobody to IMFC

Surprise, surprise

The window was open for a few hours (till noon) and acquiring a player now will mean to protect one more player for the expansion draft even if I can barely name 11 players worth protecting that is tomorrow if im not mistaken. Here's a list of free agents for the off season, some interesting (bolded) names
On Sunday, MLS announced a list of players eligible for free agency. Out-of-contract players and those who had their contract option declined -- and who were at least 28 years old during the 2017 season and have at least eight years of MLS service -- are eligible for Free Agency.
Free Agency officially begins on Tues., Dec. 12 at 3 p.m.
RELATED: 2017 MLS Offseason Calendar

Player	Previous Club	Status
Alexander, Eric	HOU	Out of Contract
Alston, Kevin	ORL	Out of Contract
Barrett, Chad	RSL	Option Decline
Beasley, DaMarcus	HOU	Out of Contract
Beitashour, Steven	TOR	Out of Contract
Boswell, Bobby	ATL	Out of Contract
Burling, Robert	COL	Out of Contract
Carroll, Brian	PHI	Retired
Clark, Ricardo	HOU	Option Decline
DeLaGarza, AJ	HOU	Option Decline
Deric, Tyler	HOU	Option Decline
Duka, Dilly	NY	Option Decline
Evans, Brad	SEA	Out of Contract
Francis, Shaun	MTL	Option Decline
Franklin, Sean	DC	Option Decline
Gordon, Alan	COL	Option Decline
Harrington, Michael	CHI	Option Decline
Harris, Atiba	DAL	Option Decline
Harvey, Jordan	VAN	Out of Contract
Hernandez, Jason	TOR	Out of Contract
Jacobson, Andrew	VAN	Out of Contract
Knighton, Brad	NE	Out of Contract
Kronberg, Eric	MTL	Out of Contract
Larentowicz, Jeffrey	ATL	Option Decline
Loyd, Zachary	ATL	Option Decline
Moor, Andrew	TOR	Out of Contract
Morales, Javier	DAL	Out of Contract
Neagle, Lamar	SEA	Out of Contract
Nyarko, Patrick	DC	Out of Contract
Pontius, Chris	PHI	Out of Contract
Reynish, Kyle	ATL	Out of Contract
Rimando, Nick	RSL	Out of Contract
Rogers, Robbie	LA	Retired
Rolfe, Chris	DC	Retired
Saunders, Joshua	ORL	Option Decline
Schuler, Chris	RSL	Option Decline
Seitz, Christopher	DAL	Out of Contract
Wingert, Chris	RSL	Out of Contract
Zemanski, Ben	POR	Out of Contract
Zizzo, Sal	NY	Option Decline

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[Michelangelo]

Dilly Duka plz

 

[JunglePete]

if Rimando ends up being a free agent, there is NO REASON why to not offer a good contract. There's a crisis in this position and need all of our international spots.

 

[Paul Dipietro]

Why is this thread still not stickied?

 

[Pompeius Magnus]

Would Duka be interested in coming back to montreal ? As far as I know he's never said anything negative about the organization in the past.

 

[JunglePete]

Well @Pompeius Magnus & @Michelangelo you might get your wish as NYRB just released their unprotected list, but Duka was Klopas' boy



Grella is an interesting player too.

Impact should released theirs pretty soon.

 

[Scandale du Jour]

He's got a point tho, there is no such thing as overpaying when you win it all. Now if you think he isnt worth 5M a year, that's on you and is entirely subjective.

You really gotta learn about a concept called market value.

Paying over market value isn't necessarily a bad thing. Some companies do it to make sure a smaller company they want to acquire sells to them. Sometimes, it is a very good strategy like it was for TFC.

However, it does matter in the sense that IMFC cannot use that strategy. So if you expect Joey to do it, you are out to lunch. He didn't have a point, he just doesn't understand business (and you do not either).

That being said, IMFC does have to spend more and, more importantly, they have to be smarter on who they spend their money on. Overpaying for a guy like Bradley who completely transforms your midfield is a bet you can take. Paying over 300k for Boldor and 250k for Mancosu is absolutely stupid.

It is all about added value. Overpaying Bradley also helped TFC showing they were serious. If he doesn't come, Altidore and Giovinco probably do not the year after (though it could be argued that the level of overpayment was the draw ie they came for money they would have had anywhere else). Bradley solidified their midfield, gave them credidibility and, ultimately, brought them a championship. It was a smart buy... even though it was over market value. They could afford to do that, we cannot. Well, we probably could for one player... not for three

 

[JunglePete]

You really gotta learn about a concept called market value.

Paying over market value isn't necessarily a bad thing. Some companies do it to make sure a smaller company they want to acquire sells to them. Sometimes, it is a very good strategy like it was for TFC.

However, it does matter in the sense that IMFC cannot use that strategy. So if you expect Joey to do it, you are out to lunch. He didn't have a point, he just doesn't understand business (and you do not either).

That being said, IMFC does have to spend more and, more importantly, they have to be smarter on who they spend their money on. Overpaying for a guy like Bradley who completely transforms your midfield is a bet you can take. Paying over 300k for Boldor and 250k for Mancosu is absolutely stupid.

It is all about added value. Overpaying Bradley also helped TFC showing they were serious. If he doesn't come, Altidore and Giovinco probably do not the year after (though it could be argued that the level of overpayment was the draw ie they came for money they would have had anywhere else). Bradley solidified their midfield, gave them credidibility and, ultimately, brought them a championship. It was a smart buy... even though it was over market value. They could afford to do that, we cannot. Well, we probably could for one player... not for three

He didn't bring up IMFC to the equation, you said they are overpaying Bradley and he said ain't no such thing as overpaying when you win it all (and it's accurate). It is really that simple. No need to bring up IMFC, it's about what TFC did. Nobody expects Joey to do it, I dont know why you keep bringing his name up, saying the same thing over and over again. And you're contradicting yourself, first you said they are overpaying Bradley implying it isn't smart because let's be honest when you say OVERpaying you're saying he isn't worth what he's getting and now you're saying it's a good strategy by TFC. He brings in merchandise, attention to the team and his previous team was AS Roma, a semi-local boy, veteran, you really think 1 mil would've been enough to snatch him. He was Immense last night and is definitely worth the 5M he's getting. He went from being a disaster to average to a monster with Toronto. There are many overpayed players in this league. cough* Giovani cough* , but Bradley is definitely not one of them.

Now for IMFC, everybody knows we can't have 3 players making 5M+ at least for now, but like you said Boldor at 400 and Moncuso at 700 is beyond stupid, it's about being smart and strategic. The fact that Mancuso will be back is haunting.

 

[JunglePete]

so they protected Oyongo who already said he's leaving lol. Maybe they are being cautious and wants his MLS rights in case he doesn't go to France.. and they really protected Donadel or im near sighted?
I think Salazar will have a new team.

 

[Scandale du Jour]

Once again, you ignore the simple "market value" concept. At least, you understand "added value". Bradley has been worth it. Doesn't mean they didn't pay over market value for his services. They did OVERpay, but they had to if they wanted him to come. It was, jm hindsight, a smart decision.

Winning it all has nothing to do with paying over market value or not. If you wanted to argue that MLS team have to in order to bring in players with options in Europe, I would agree. The childish notion that winning it all trumps any overpaying is something that I disagree with. Sustainability matters. Luckily for TFC they can keep doing that as they market their team well and have an ownership group that can take operating losses if needed because they will make up for it with TV revenues... that they control.

MLSE's business model is the real winner here. They have done a tremendous job with all their franchises. If only IMFC wasn't stuck with a fanboy rich kid as an owner.

 

[Emanresu Wen]

I'm in the 'Doesn't give a **** about TFC winning the cup' crew

I’m in the « it’d be a surprise them not winning » crew

TFC has been pumping money like mad in the last years, the cup was bound to be theirs eventually

 

[ArtPeur]

so they protected Oyongo who already said he's leaving lol. Maybe they are being cautious and wants his MLS rights in case he doesn't go to France.. and they really protected Donadel or im near sighted?
I think Salazar will have a new team.

They also protected Duvall who is likely going to be a free agent. They aren't protecting Mancosu and Boldor at least

 

[QuebecPride]

so they protected Oyongo who already said he's leaving lol. Maybe they are being cautious and wants his MLS rights in case he doesn't go to France.. and they really protected Donadel or im near sighted?
I think Salazar will have a new team.

They protected Oyongo in case he doesn't pan out in France. The Impact keeps his MLS rights and it's not impossible that he would come back in Montréal if his Euro trip fails. Yes they protected Donadel, they did prolonge his contract so it is logical with that. I like Sextape, but I prefer Donadel.

 

[QuebecPride]

They also protected Duvall who is likely going to be a free agent. They aren't protecting Mancosu and Boldor at least

Duvall is looking for an european stint too, so, somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but we would get part of his transfer money.