Proposal: Montréal - NYI

[Beautvillier]

- Please consider that Nelson is a pending RFA and will be asking for a contract we might not like.

- Please consider that CDH is a pending UFA and he can walk if we don't give him UFA value.

- Please consider that Galchenyuk is already on a very team friendly contract.

- Add Juulsen on top of Galchenyuk when in 12 month time we are only left with Nelson who could give us major headaches in contract negotiations is not a good deal for the Habs!

Brock Nelson has a very similar stat line to Galchenyuk, why would he demand much more money? Also with that said, as they have very similar stats, why would we be adding a top 4 defender on top, pending UFA or not?

 

[CodeE]

- Please consider that Nelson is a pending RFA and will be asking for a contract we might not like.

- Please consider that CDH is a pending UFA and he can walk if we don't give him UFA value.

- Please consider that Galchenyuk is already on a very team friendly contract.

- Add Juulsen on top of Galchenyuk when in 12 month time we are only left with Nelson who could give us major headaches in contract negotiations is not a good deal for the Habs!

It's fine if you want to devalue Nelson & CDH due to their contract status, just don't hold it against all the other teams who devalue Galchenyuk due to all his issues.

 

[Jester9881]

Calvin de Haan can be extended before any deal is made official.

 

[Habs10025]

What moves to do you think will get us to where we are today vs being a deep playoff cup contender? When you consider this, you realize that we need to have patience and if we make trades, we need to ensure it works fur us today and for the future. Making lateral moves at this stage only keeps us in the middle of the pack which is a terrible place to be

Habs fans are going to like to here this after the 5 year plan has come and gone with this team still not a real contender for the cup and may not even make the playoffs .. Trades Id make or players I would make available from this point forward would be . Pacioretty with less than 2 years remaining its doubtful he's resigned . Shaw a good playoff player but if the team can't get to the playoffs ? Plekanec good player over the years but its time to move on . Price if the team misses the playoffs and before July 1st Id really have to think if I wanted to keep him another 8 years at 10.500 000 per These are the players id make available that hold the most value . Weber also if the offer were enough ... Its giving up the core of the team but ask yourself. What has this core or team won ?

 

[Jester9881]

How about

Calvin de Haan (extended)
Anthony Beauvillier

For
Max Pacioretty

 

[Seras]

How come a 23 years old with already a 30 goals season isn't even worth Nelson OR De Haan? I know Galchenyuk has defensive flaws but we can't deny his offensive skills.

Habs should keep the 30 goal scorer.

 

[FerrisRox]

terrible for islanders. that package doesn't even get de haan or nelson

You don't think the New York Islanders would be giddy with excitement to flip Nelson for Galchenyuk?

Are you serious with this?

 

[Habs Halifax]

It's fine if you want to devalue Nelson & CDH due to their contract status, just don't hold it against all the other teams who devalue Galchenyuk due to all his issues.

I'm not devaluing Nelson and CDH as much as you are devaluing Galchenyuk, that is for sure

 

[Habs Halifax]

Habs fans are going to like to here this after the 5 year plan has come and gone with this team still not a real contender for the cup and may not even make the playoffs .. Trades Id make or players I would make available from this point forward would be . Pacioretty with less than 2 years remaining its doubtful he's resigned . Shaw a good playoff player but if the team can't get to the playoffs ? Plekanec good player over the years but its time to move on . Price if the team misses the playoffs and before July 1st Id really have to think if I wanted to keep him another 8 years at 10.500 000 per These are the players id make available that hold the most value . Weber also if the offer were enough ... Its giving up the core of the team but ask yourself. What has this core or team won ?

So let me guess, there was a 5 year plan to get us from a bubble playoff team (at best) to a legit stanley cup contender through free agency and trades? Does this seem reasonable to you? In truth, you would be saying the same thing towards our GM if his name wasn't Bergevin and someone not named Bergevin was hired back in 2012.

 

[beowulf]

maybe something to do with 2 coaches in a row now have demoted him to the 4th line.

Offensive skill is one thing, but when 2 coaches have decided that he's too stupid to learn how to play defensive hockey, then that's a pretty big red flag. Both of these coaches see his flaws as such a negative that they outweigh his offensive skill.

Ya sure...

Another example of people around here undervaluing Galchenyuk.

 

[Habs10025]

So let me guess, there was a 5 year plan to get us from a bubble playoff team (at best) to a legit stanley cup contender through free agency and trades? Does this seem reasonable to you? In truth, you would be saying the same thing towards our GM if his name wasn't Bergevin and someone not named Bergevin was hired back in 2012.

What are you trying to say ? There was a 5 year plan starting in 2012 when Bergevin was hired. After Montreal missed the playoffs and had the 3rd overall pick in the draft in 2012 drafting Galchenyuk . ( You lost me when you start talking about the General Managers name ) I'm Obviously not understanding what your trying to say ...? The point is the 5 year plan failed as of right now 5 games into the 6th season under Bergevin as General Manager .. How a team becomes champions doesn't matter through trades or through the draft . Example Pittsburgh Penguins 2009 was mostly built through the draft . The 2016 and 2017 Penguins teams that won the cup where most built through trades .It can be done either way if its done correctly .

 

[Habs10025]

So let me guess, there was a 5 year plan to get us from a bubble playoff team (at best) to a legit stanley cup contender through free agency and trades? Does this seem reasonable to you? In truth, you would be saying the same thing towards our GM if his name wasn't Bergevin and someone not named Bergevin was hired back in 2012.

It is very reasonable to expect a team to compete for a cup after a 5 year period being built through free agency or trades .. The current Champions 2016 and 2017 Penguins In a time frame between June 2014 -
The signed as free agents Cullen , Fehr , Sheary , Then acquired in trades Hornqvist , Kessel , Bonino , Hagelin , Dumoulin , Cole , Lovejoy ,Daley , Schultz , Hainsey , Streit that's over only a 3 year period. Montreal can become a contender if the correct trades are made. It was before 2014 but , Dupuis , Kunitz were also acquired in trades .

 

[ole ole]

terrible for islanders. that package doesn't even get de haan or nelson

Seems you say that about every Habs proposal. Just terrible for the other team.

 

[Habs Halifax]

It is very reasonable to expect a team to compete for a cup after a 5 year period being built through free agency or trades .. The current Champions 2016 and 2017 Penguins In a time frame between June 2014 -
The signed as free agents Cullen , Fehr , Sheary , Then acquired in trades Hornqvist , Kessel , Bonino , Hagelin , Dumoulin , Cole , Lovejoy ,Daley , Schultz , Hainsey , Streit that's over only a 3 year period. Montreal can become a contender if the correct trades are made. It was before 2014 but , Dupuis , Kunitz were also acquired in trades .

Comparing the Habs to the Pens who won a draft lottery at the perfect time and drafted in the top 5 for various years

 

[Habs10025]

Comparing the Habs to the Pens who won a draft lottery at the perfect time and drafted in the top 5 for various years

Crosby ,Malkin , were the right picks Maybe Montreal drafted the wrong players when the had top 5 picks Instead of Price maybe they would have been better off drafting Kopitar ? Instead of Galchenyuk Forsberg would have been the better pick

 

[go4hockey]

How come a 23 years old with already a 30 goals season isn't even worth Nelson OR De Haan? I know Galchenyuk has defensive flaws but we can't deny his offensive skills.

Then he can stay in Montreal if he is so good. There are huge flaws in his game and work ethic.

 

[Draft]

Delete.

 

[Hostile Offer]

Brock Nelson has a very similar stat line to Galchenyuk, why would he demand much more money? Also with that said, as they have very similar stats, why would we be adding a top 4 defender on top, pending UFA or not?

Galchenyuk is a couple of years younger, that's why.

 

[Beautvillier]

Galchenyuk is a couple of years younger, that's why.

Galchenyuk has not shown any improvement lately, why would we expect it now?

 

[Hostile Offer]

Galchenyuk has not shown any improvement lately, why would we expect it now?

Play him as your 2C and who knows, he was great last year centering a scoring line so you might see improvement. But anyway, he's projected to have more years left at his current level than Nelson even if he wouldn't necessarily improve.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Crosby ,Malkin , were the right picks Maybe Montreal drafted the wrong players when the had top 5 picks Instead of Price maybe they would have been better off drafting Kopitar ? Instead of Galchenyuk Forsberg would have been the better pick

So your saying the Pens could of taken other players vs Crosby or Malkin as the #1 and #2 in those draft years? They were not only the "right" picks, they were the OBVIOUS picks. No scouting needed when it comes to these types of talent.

- I guess the Leafs could of taken PLD instead of Mathews and the Oilers could of taken Dylan Strome instead of McDavid eh?

- Price vs Kopitar in 2005 eh. Were was Kopitar ranked heading into the draft? You know, we could of taken Gilbert Brule who was the highest rated center after Crosby heading into that draft year.

- Forsberg vs Galchenyuk in 2012 eh. Well Galchenyuk was projected to be the highest rated center in this draft year while Forsberg was rated as a C/W and many teams passed him by for some reason. If only we would of known that Galchenyuk would be a winger and fringe center while Forsberg would be a LW/RW. Heck, we could of taken Grigorenko who was also a very low ranked center

- Any other top 5 picks you want to talk about that we had in the last few decades?

So I repeat, Expecting any GM to turn the 2012 Habs who were a bubble playoff team at best into a deep playoff cup contender after 5 seasons through free agency and trades is possible but not probable. But wait, our GM name is Bergevin and it's the city of Montreal... we should have higher expectations and reality is a non-factor

 

[Trapper]

How come a 23 years old with already a 30 goals season isn't even worth Nelson OR De Haan? I know Galchenyuk has defensive flaws but we can't deny his offensive skills.

Lots of players have scored 30 goals in a season and never done so again.
I'm not saying he couldn't/wouldn't, but currently you are dealing him with big question marks. You are dealing him as a fan from only a positive perspective.
What is Galchenyuk?
You're management has constantly downgraded his ability to play center in this league.
He is not fast as the NHL is moving more towards a speed oriented game.
He is not trusted for his defensive game. (Again a management claim).
He must return to a 20+, 30 goal scoring level or what is his impact then?

You are trying to trade him at his worst. And management isn't putting him in a position to play to his strengths and succeed. Put him at 3C or first line LW/RW and let him do what everyone keeps saying about him. Be on pace to score 30 goals. Because right now he's not.

 

[jackrabbitjohansen]

too many MTL-NYI talks,
Pacio is not working out for montreal at the moment, He lives close to NY and would be a great fit to Tavares
Petry comes with him
we take Beauviller + Brock and Leddy

 

[SLAPSHOT723]

We can't afford to trade a defenseman now.

 

[jackrabbitjohansen]

We can't afford to trade a defenseman now.

you actually get a good one back in Petry