MMA General Discussion and Fight Announcements 7.0
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Avs_19
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I guess we shouldn't be surprised Bisping/GSP is back on. I would've preferred Bisping/Whittaker and Woodley/GSP just because it makes more sense but Whittaker's injury and Woodley's performance screwed that up.
As for Jones/Lesnar, I think that's easy work for Jones. Jones is just so much better and his size and lack of KO power won't matter. IMO, he'll finish Lesnar and it'll probably be early.
As for Jones/Lesnar, I think that's easy work for Jones. Jones is just so much better and his size and lack of KO power won't matter. IMO, he'll finish Lesnar and it'll probably be early.
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tmurfin
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Obviously that statement has changed. Don't act like Jones had that in his repertoire until now.
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He absolutely did. There are questions about his punching power but not about the kicks and elbows he can stun guys with.
Jones opens as a -300 favourite over Lesnar.
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No. He didn't. Sure he could stun guys, but the amount of stopping power he needed to hurt DC that bad, didn't exist before, let's not forget DC got blasted by Rumble and Gus and it didn't bother him too much. He's always been known for his slick standup and ability to pick guys apart and accumulate damage, and his vicious GNP, no ones ever been too worried about getting head kick knocked out by him. His power lifting has done wonders for his KO power.
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One of the interesting aspects of a potential Jones/Lesnar fight would be reach. Jones wouldn't have a substantial reach advantage like he does over the entire LHW division. Lesnar is what, 81-82 in reach? He's also on par in height as well and other than Gustafsson who has the height and reach? We saw the difficulty Jones had fighting someone his own size but Gus is a world class striker. Other than that who has Jones faced that would be almost identical in reach or height? OSP 6'4 80in reach (He is not on Lesnar's level). That's about it. Just an interesting aspect.
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I don't know if I'd say this is a result of power lifting or adding more strength. I think that was just a great shot and one that requires perfect timing and technique more so than strength. DC dipped his head and Jones connected with his shin right to the side of his head. IMO, it's something Jones was always capable of.
tmurfin
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How is power lifting not the same as adding more strength lol. Other than that, I do agree it was a perfectly timed shot, I still don't think Jones had the power to hurt him that bad in the past.
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Well, we all know that lifting weights has no impact on punching power. Now kicking power? Who knows. Squats/deadlifts teach explosiveness so it kinda makes sense.
Rocko604
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My god this is like reading Sherdog forums. Jones is an accomplished kickboxer and because he's done some squats and deads, THAT is why he was able to stun DC?
**** me.
**** me.
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You don't think the large size difference will mitigate whatever power Jones has, at least to some extent? Lesnar is going to weigh in at 265ish pounds. DC came in at 205. Even if he swelled up to 220, Lesnar will be at least 45 lbs heavier, and taller. That will automatically reduce the impact of any punches, IMO.
Rocko604
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If Brock gets Jones against the fence, absolutely. But if Jones is able to keep Brock standing in the center of the cage, I like Jones chances. Unless Brock has some world class ability to check kicks, Jones is going to chop at him like a tree. Do that over a couple rounds, Brocks hands will start to drop and then boom.
Plus it's not like Jones doesn't have monsters to train with. Overeem is one of them and while he's not has heavy as Brock, he's much bigger than Jones. Plus with the likelihood this fight wouldn't happen until 2018, it gives Jones time to add weight.
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La Masse
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Don't forget that Lesnar has one of the worst chins in MMA. I mean the guy just hates getting hit. If Lesnar can't get Jones on the mat, he's going to get KO'd pretty easily IMO. I wonder if Jones would be able to take Brock down with the difference in weight
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- Lesnar has one of the best chins in MMA. The shots he took from Shane Carwin were ****ing insane. His issue is he doesn't like being hit. Nobody likes being hit but the way he reacts is different from your usual MMA fighter. You can tell he never grew up boxing or whatever
- Since winning the title, Jon Jones has two KO/TKO wins. One was Daniel Cormier, and the other was Chael ****ing Sonnen who had no business being in that fight. I can definitely see Jones finishing Lesnar. It won't be by a knockout to the head. I think he bodyshots Lesnar all night.
That would be a really interesting fight and I'd go with Brock. The size advantages Jones usually has are completely gone. I know DC can run the division otherwise but against Jones it looks like an impossible disadvantage given the their frame size difference.
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There's interesting and competitive fights at HW for Jones. Not sure Lesnar is one of them. Lesnar brings size and great top control, but he's so bad at everything else... I would imagine Jones spamming kicks to the body till Lesnar turtles up
I'm more interested in seeing Jones deal with long-reach strikers.
I'm more interested in seeing Jones deal with long-reach strikers.
Sheppy
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This is absolutely false. Carwin hit him with ****ing hammers for the better part of a round, Lesnar got up, Laughed and then choked him out with ease.
MD thaivuN
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Lesnar is mostly a case of having good toughness, poor durability. He wont go away easily, but he's easy to hurt.
La Masse
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Ya you're right I should have said he simply doesn't like to get hit. He reacts very differently then most fighters. Both of his losses against Cain and Overeem, you could just see the akwardness when he got it
La Masse
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For the first part, you're right I should have said he simply doesn't like to get hit.
- As for Jones KO/TKO part, while I agree he hasn't finished alot of fighters, he certainly has alot of tools to do so. Lesnar has great wrestling but i wonder what he looks like from his back
Sheppy
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Definitely. I can see that, however the Brock that fought Overeem should have never taken that fight after diverticulitis. He took one shot to the guts and basically crumpled on the spot.
La Masse
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That plus add in pre-USADA Overeem lol. So basically it all depends on if Brock can put Jon on his back.If he can't, it's lights out for Brock
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You can see it in all his fights.
Even fight 2 against Mir, which he won, but he tends to flinch and duck and run backwards like a high school nerd as soon as the punches come at him. Even the feints. Everything you are NOT supposed to do.
Against Carwin it was more pronounced as soon as he took the first shot. Pure panic at getting hit in the face.
Its almost embarrassing that such a physical monster suddenly is wearing size 8 skinny jeans at the first touch of leather.
Brock needs to go to Thailand for a year and just get hit in the face every day until he learns how to roll with punches and not flinch.
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