MLD 2017 Quarterfinal: Kelowna Packers vs. Atlanta Thrashers

[VanIslander]

Kelowna Packers

coaches Viktor Tikhonov & Ken Hitchcock

Ulf Sterner - Tumba Johansson - Paul Maclean
Andre Boudrias - Dick Irvin (A) - Andy Hebenton
Geoff Courtnall - Pit Martin - Jim Pappin
Hec Kilrea - Doug Risebrough - Mario Tremblay

James Patrick - Fred Lake
Barclay Plager (C) - Bob Dailey
Niklas Kronwall - Doug Young (A)

Al Rollins
Paddy Moran


vs.


Atlanta Thrashers

coach Lindy Ruff

Brenden Morrow (A) - Alexei Yashin - Eddie Wiseman
Marc Tardif - Art Chapman - Real Cloutier
Thomas Vanek - Bill Hay - Jason Pominville
Nick Mickoski - Patrik Sundstrom - Don Lever

Dunc Munro (C) - Ed Jovanovski (A)
Phil Russell - Doug Barkley
Craig Ludwig - Mike Green

Chico Resch
Chris Osgood

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[VanIslander]

Kelowna:

PP1: Sterner - Johansson - Maclean - Lake - Daily
PP2: Boudrias - Irvin - Hebenton - Patrick - Young

PK1: Risebrough - Boudrais - Plager - Young
PK2: Martin - Kilrea - Kronwall - Lake

vs.

Atlanta:

PP1: Jovanovski - Green - Tardif - Yashin - Wiseman
PP2: Russell - Barkley - Vanek - Chapman - Cloutier

PK1: Munro - Ludwig - Hay - Mickoski
PK2: Russell - Jovanovski - Lever - Pominville

 

[VanIslander]

Note:

If any extra skaters will be dressed in place of the starting rosters then let's indicate so in a post; likewise, if there are any changes in special teams, let's state accordingly below.

Let's have a good series!

1. Wayne Gretzky
2. Bobby Orr
3. Gordie Howe
4. Mario Lemieux
5. Bobby Hull
6. Maurice Richard
7. Cyclone Taylor
8. Dominik Hasek
9. Eddie Shore
10. Sidney Crosby

11. Doug Harvey
12. Phil Esposito
13. Jaromir Jagr
14. Jean Beliveau
15. Patrick Roy
16. Raymond Bourque
17. Guy Lafleur
18. Howie Morenz
19. Alex Ovechkin
20. Frank Nighbor

21. Mark Messier
22. Red Kelly
23. Slava Fetisov
24. Stan Mikita
25. Earl Seibert
26. Newsy Lalonde
27. Bernie Geoffrion
28. Glenn Hall
29. Marcel Dionne
30. Jacques Plante

31. Niklas Lidstrom
32. Terry Sawchuk
33. Ted Lindsay
34. Bobby Clarke
35. Sergei Makarov
36. Bryan Trottier
37. Martin Brodeur
38. Bill Cook
39. Vladislav Tretiak
40. Larry Robinson

41. Paul Coffey
42. Valeri Kharlamov
43. Ken Dryden
44. Joe Sakic
45. Chris Chelios
46. Brad Park
47. Mike Bossy
48. Pierre Pilote
49. Steve Yzerman
50. Syl Apps, Sr.

51. Petr Forsberg
52. Frank Brimsek
53. King Clancy
54. Evgeny Malkin
55. Bill Cowley
56. Frank Boucher
57. Eric Lindros
58. Andy Bathgate
59. Charlie Conacher
60. Charlie Gardiner

61, Clint Benedict
62. Eddie Gerard
63. Milt Schmidt
64. Sprague Cleghorn
65. Alex Maltsev
66. Hod Stuart
67. Nels Stewart
68. Bill Gadsby
69. Frank Mahovlich
70. Brian Leetch

71. Russell Bowie
72. Tim Horton
73. Elmer Lach
74. Dit Clapper
75. Max Bentley
76. Jarome Iginla
77. Al MacInnis
78. Ted Kennedy
79. Turk Broda
80. Dave Keon

81. Jari Kurri
82. Joe Malone
83. Syd Howe
84. Scott Stevens
85. Georges Vezina
86. Tommy Phillips
87. Aurel Joliat
88. Norm Ullman
89. Cy Denneny
90. Scott Niedermayer

91. Chris Pronger
92. Bill Durnan
93. Duncan Keith
94. Teemu Selanne
95. Borje Salming
96. Ching Johnson
97. Sid Abel
98. Zdeno Chara
99. Bill Quackenbush
100. Erik Karlsson

101. Busher Jackson
102. Jiri Holecek
103. Jan Suchy
104. Boris Mikhailov
105. Martin St. Louis
106. Doug Bentley
107. Henri Richard
108. Vladimir Martinec
109. Luc Robitaille
110. Tiny Thompson

111. Jack Stewart
112. Eddie Belfour
113. Joe Thornton
114. Dickie Moore
115. Babe Siebert
116. Anatoli Firsov
117. Doug Gilmour
118. Toe Blake
119. Marcel Pronovost
120. Moose Johnson

 

[VanIslander]

Let's not have a repeat of last year's absurdity (Yashin being named the number one star of a playoff scenario).

Yashin has a reputation well earned of disappearing in big games and not perservering through adversity.

He left two NHL franchises as a playoff diappointment, notching a mere single assist in his last two postseasons in Ottawa and a single assist in his last two postseasons on Long Island. He was booed and rightfully so. He is the antithesis of a winner.

 

[ResilientBeast]

Nitpicky much huh?

His NHL totals are 27 points in 48 games for playoffs certainly not great but lets not get carried away

But sure keep pushing your agenda to ignore the rest of my team

 

[ResilientBeast]

Using 70s numbers from last season for VsX for top 6 forwards

Atlanta

1st Line = 1458
Alexei Yashin - 552
Eddie Wiseman - 496
Brendan Morrow - 410

2nd Line = 1403
Marc Tardif - 463
Art Chapman - 450
Real Cloutier - 490

Kelowna

1st Line = ??? + 427
Ulf Sterner - ???
Tumba Johansson - ???
Paul Maclean - 427

2nd Line = 1310
Andre Boudrias - 454
Dick Irvin - 464
Andy Hebenton - 392

So overall unless both Sterner and Johansson are ~500 in VsX (which I seriously doubt) then my first line is superior offensively.

Second lines I'm better by 93 or 31 per player. After having him in a top 6 last year I don't know why Hebenton deserves to be in an MLD top 6. He's awful in that role

My top end is just superior offensively.

 

[ResilientBeast]

Reading the only linked bio on Sterner doesn't provide much and I can't find anything recent searching the forum. Why does he deserve to be a top liner in an MLD after a 25 team ATD?

Tumba to me is a problematic guy to build around

And you put him next to a goalscoring two way powerforward (MacLean) I don't understand the chemistry of your first line unless Sterner is some excellent playmaker.

MacLean is your dedicated glue guy and he's marginally better offensively and intangibly than Morrow. I can't make a definitive statement either way

 

[ResilientBeast]

Your second line

Bourdrais was an excellent pick reads as a strong two way pest type player with offensive talent.

Irvin I'm less hot about, having had him as my 1C last year he strikes me as just a good player.

Understandably a different time but if we're going to nitpick playoff numbers

WCHL playoffs he had 4 goals in 8 games including the 1923-24 playoff series where he had no points in two games!

In the NHL playoffs he managed 2 goals in 2 games

In his old bio from TDMM I can find very little about his style of play besides what is known about him. So good thing you have Boudrais because I don't know if you could count on Irvin to be a defensive conscious for the line.

Hebenton I guess is the rest of the glue for the line, but as I mentioned he's very weak in an offensive role in an MLD top 6.

Contrast with Tardif who is my physical glue guy and is stronger offensively than his counterpart on Kelowna.

Chapman who was overrated as a defensive guy in ATD cannon but I think can still competently be the defensive guy on a line.

Cloutier the only real offensive star on our second lines who's offense absolutely kills Hebenton's.

 

[ResilientBeast]

Third lines

Vanek - 481
Pominville - 462
Hay - 447
= 1390

Courtnall - 402
Pappin - 444
Martin - 494
= 1370

The closest of our lines offensively is our third ones

Courtnall's bio is pretty much nonexistant, he brings "sandpaper" and what else? Weak offense?

Pappin seems like a guy really held back by his coaches and managed in spite of that to put up points and play solid hockey. Guess he has a comment or two about his defensive play and has decent offence.

Pit Martin somehow missed my radar and looks to be a great option at the 3C spot. No much I can say to detract from him except his size especially if he lines up against Hay ever.

So based on the personnel it looks like this is set to be a two way line much like mine. However my line has superior offensive talent and maybe slightly weaker defensive ones.

Defensively Pominville and Pappin are probably even and Hay vs Martin would become the debate there.

 

[ResilientBeast]

Goaltending (pulled from the HOH thread for Rollins + indicate finishes that likely don't list everyone who received votes)

Al Rollins AST - 3, 3+, 3+, 3, 4+, 5+, 4

3, 3, 4

Chico Resch AST

2, 2, 3, 4, 4, 6

Rollins managed to win the Hart in a year he was voted 3rd best goaltender in the league

 

[VanIslander]

Courtnall's bio is pretty much nonexistant, he brings "sandpaper" and what else? Weak offense?

Have you read any of the bio info I have linked to each and every pick I've made?

This is the playoffs, not the regular season, so how about looking at playoff comparisons?

The Packers select 6'1 204 lbs. Geoff Courtnall, the 6-time 30-goal scoring left winger who won a Stanley Cup as a bottom-6 role player in Edmonton but had his career year on the top line in Washington with 42 goals, 80 points and the Caps leader in even-strength goals and shots. Yet it was in Vancouver where he made the biggest impact, scoring 77 points and an NHL-best 11 game-winning goals, then the following year was 2nd in Canucks regular season points and 3rd in playoff points as the team went to Game 7 of the Stanley Cup Finals, Geoff notching a career-high 9 goals and 19 points and his 77 playoff shots was second to only Bure. Courtnall scored an impressive 61 playoff points in 65 playoff games in Vancouver, and no surprise he returned to the city to live after his career was over. Geoff finished his hockey days in St. Louis where as a 35 year old he led the Blues in goals (31) and tied the team lead in playoff points (10 in 10 games). It was his last full season as a concussion spurred his retirement two partial seasons later. He had 799 points in 1048 NHL games with a respectable 109 playoff points in 156 postseason games. Courtnall was a high-energy, almost reckless banger who loved physical contact in corners and created opportunities out of chaos. I remember him fondly.

Bolded size added. Check roster link for more than 'sandpaper' reference.

 

[VanIslander]

Goaltending (pulled from the HOH thread for Rollins + indicate finishes that likely don't list everyone who received votes)

Al Rollins AST - 3, 3+, 3+, 3, 4+, 5+, 4

3, 3, 4

Chico Resch AST

2, 2, 3, 4, 4, 6

Rollins managed to win the Hart in a year he was voted 3rd best goaltender in the league

All things considered, the best goalie in this series and probably the draft - especially considering Stanley Cup championship play - is Paddy Moran, on the Packers, who will likely start the playoffs, based on his multiple cup-winning experience.

 

[ResilientBeast]

Let's not have a repeat of last year's absurdity (Yashin being named the number one star of a playoff scenario).

Yashin has a reputation well earned of disappearing in big games and not perservering through adversity.

He left two NHL franchises as a playoff diappointment, notching a mere single assist in his last two postseasons in Ottawa and a single assist in his last two postseasons on Long Island. He was booed and rightfully so. He is the antithesis of a winner.

Let's go into this a little more, 98-99 Sens only managed 6 goals in 4 games against a primeish Hasek. Yes some of Yashin's teammates managed to step it up and have at least passable series but that Sens team was not going to make it passed Hasek.

00-01 Sens managed to score 3 goals in 4 games against Toronto. Hossa managed 2 points, Alfie only managed a goal. Totally on Yashin for this loss too huh?

03-04 the Islanders managed a paltry 5 goals in 5 games and this team was absolutely gutted of talent what did you expect Yashin to do? Their RS scoring leader was Trent ****ing Hunter and Oleg ****ing Kvasha.

06-07 Yashin has had some injury issues up till now puts up some respectable regular season numbers. But again this team just had no real talent depth.

Now for the series VI will omit because it goes against his argument

96-97 - 6 points in 7 games

He's one point shy of Alfie for the team lead.

97-98 - 8 points in 11 games

He's one point shy of Alfie for the team lead. Scoring 2 game wining goals if you care about that

01-02 - 7 points in 7 games

Tied for the lead with Aucoin and Hamrlik

02-03 - 4 points in 5 games

Lead the team by a point

What have learned? Alfie out scored him the playoffs a lot and was more consistent. Who would've thought a guy who went 100s of picks ago would be better!

Yashin has his warts and he's no stellar playoff performer but those Islanders teams were hot garbage that managed to make the playoffs since Millbury was quite possibly the worst overly active GM of all time.

 

[VanIslander]

Hebenton I guess is the rest of the glue for the line, but as I mentioned he's very weak in an offensive role in an MLD top 6.

Hebenton has Stanley Cup playoff heroic scoring for the lowly Rags! Geez, I enjoyed researching the bio info on him and you ignore history and just crunch a stat about regular season numbers and judge everything off of that. This is as distasteful as trying to talk history with 70slord.

If a GM wanting a series win more is the difference, then you've got it man.

I am not enjoying this. I like talking about hockey history, not dealing with sniping overgeneralizations.

 

[ResilientBeast]

Have you read any of the bio info I have linked to each and every pick I've made?

This is the playoffs, not the regular season, so how about looking at playoff comparisons?


Bolded size added. Check roster link for more than 'sandpaper' reference.

It's not linked above so my first instinct is to check the bio thread and I didn't find anything substantial.

Playoff comparisons mean very little to me, the sample sizes are too small and there's too many factors we cannot control to make it even worth doing.

Gameplans are honed in, matchups matter more. Over an 70-80 game season these things average out

 

[ResilientBeast]

Hebenton has Stanley Cup playoff heroic scoring for the lowly Rags! Geez, I enjoyed researching the bio info on him and you ignore history and just crunch a stat about regular season numbers and judge everything off of that. This is as distasteful as trying to talk history with 70slord.

If a GM wanting a series win more is the difference, then you've got it man.

I am not enjoying this. I like talking about hockey history, not dealing with sniping overgeneralizations.

Cool that he has that going for him much like captain clutch Justin Williams.

There's a difference between talking about interesting moments in hockey history and cool trivia facts and constructing these teams. I love telling my friends and family fun things I learned and stumping them by asking things like "Which NHL goalie was the first to wear a mask in an official game?"

But that isn't what this is for at least to my knowledge.

 

[ResilientBeast]

All things considered, the best goalie in this series and probably the draft - especially considering Stanley Cup championship play - is Paddy Moran, on the Packers, who will likely start the playoffs, based on his multiple cup-winning experience.

With that in mind you probably have the advantage in net.

 

[Hobnobs]

Let's go into this a little more, 98-99 Sens only managed 6 goals in 4 games against a primeish Hasek. Yes some of Yashin's teammates managed to step it up and have at least passable series but that Sens team was not going to make it passed Hasek.

00-01 Sens managed to score 3 goals in 4 games against Toronto. Hossa managed 2 points, Alfie only managed a goal. Totally on Yashin for this loss too huh?

03-04 the Islanders managed a paltry 5 goals in 5 games and this team was absolutely gutted of talent what did you expect Yashin to do? Their RS scoring leader was Trent ****ing Hunter and Oleg ****ing Kvasha.

06-07 Yashin has had some injury issues up till now puts up some respectable regular season numbers. But again this team just had no real talent depth.

Now for the series VI will omit because it goes against his argument

96-97 - 6 points in 7 games

He's one point shy of Alfie for the team lead.

97-98 - 8 points in 11 games

He's one point shy of Alfie for the team lead. Scoring 2 game wining goals if you care about that

01-02 - 7 points in 7 games

Tied for the lead with Aucoin and Hamrlik

02-03 - 4 points in 5 games

Lead the team by a point

What have learned? Alfie out scored him the playoffs a lot and was more consistent. Who would've thought a guy who went 100s of picks ago would be better!

Yashin has his warts and he's no stellar playoff performer but those Islanders teams were hot garbage that managed to make the playoffs since Millbury was quite possibly the worst overly active GM of all time.

I believe he also just came back from injuries in his two failed playoffs with the isles. One being severed ligaments and nerves in his hand requirering surgery in the middle of the season.

 

[Batis]

Reading the only linked bio on Sterner doesn't provide much and I can't find anything recent searching the forum.

There was some information on Sterner posted during the Top Non-NHL Europeans project. Here is some of it.

Sterner peaked very high during the 68/69 season when he finished second in a Top European player of the season poll.

Ceskoslovensky Sport asked a bunch of hockey people to vote for and rank their top three European players during the 1968-69 season in order to determine the top European player of that season. Three points was given for first place, two for second and one for third.
Maybe it is not entirely fitting in this thread (as many are voted in already), but I just stumbled past it and thought it might be of interest anyway.

Mod Edit: Moved to another thread. Definitely of interest.

COACHES

Arne Strömberg (Sweden): 1. Suchý, 2. Sterner, 3. Kharlamov

Vladimir Kostka (Czechoslovakia): 1. Ji. Holik, 2. Sterner, 3. Suchý

Gustav Bubnik (Finland) (originally Czech): 1. Firsov, 2. Sterner, 3. N. Nilsson

Wayne Dornack (USA): 1. Suchý, 2. Svedberg, 3. Firsov

Jack Bownass (Canada): 1. Suchý, 2. Sterner, 3. Dzurilla

Anatoli Tarasov (Soviet Union): 1. Holmqvist, 2. Svedberg, 3. Ja. Holik

JOURNALISTS

Gustav Vlk (Ceskoslovensky Sport): 1. Suchý, 2. Sterner, 3. Jirik

Jouko Autero (Aamulehti Tampere): 1. Suchý, 2. Sterner, 3. Ja. Holik

Ulf Jansson (Se i Bild, Stockholm): 1. Suchý, 2. Kharlamov, 3. Ji. Holik

Evgeny Rubin (Sovetsky Sport): 1. Sterner, 2. Suchý, 3. Ja. Holik

Johnny Esaw (Canadian TV): 1. Suchý, 2. Horesovský, 3. Svedberg

Mike Smith (Winnipeg Free Press): 1. Holmqvist, 2. Demarco, 3. Nedomanský

FORMER NATIONAL TEAM PLAYERS

Frantisek Vanek (Czechoslovakia): 1. Suchý, 2. Sterner, 3. Jirik

Jan Starsi (Czechoslovakia): 1. Suchý, 2. Jirik, 3. Firsov

Boris Mayorov (Soviet Union): 1. Suchý, 2. Sterner, 3. Firsov

Roland Stoltz (Sweden): 1. Dzurilla, 2. Suchý, 3. Sterner

Tumba Johansson (Sweden): 1. Suchý, 2. Holmqvist, 3. Firsov

FINAL STANDING

1.Jan Suchý (Czechoslovakia) 47 pts
2.Ulf Sterner (Sweden) 24
3.Anatoli Firsov (Soviet Union) 9
4.Lill Strimma Svedberg (Sweden) 8
4.Honken Holmqvist (Sweden) 8
6.Jaroslav Holik (Czechoslovakia) 6
7.Jiri Holik (Czechoslovakia) 5
8.Vladimir Dzurilla (Czechoslovakia) 4
8.Jaroslav Jirik (Czechoslovakia) 4
10.Vaclav Nedomanský (Czechoslovakia) 3
10.Valeri Kharlamov (Soviet Union) 3
12.Josef Horesovský (Czechoslovakia) 2
12. Ab DeMarco (Canada) 2
14.Nisse Nilsson (Sweden) 1

Here are some of my posts about Sterner from the Top Non-NHL European project.

I really hope that Ulf Sterner will be available for voting before Lennart Svedberg gets added to the list. But soon I will start having Svedberg in my top 5 (not this round though). My impression has always been that Sterner at the time was considered the best/most important Swedish player of that era. I will try to find some quotes regarding Sterner in some old hockey books when I find the time. On my preliminary list I had them very close to each other , Sterner 31st and Svedberg 32nd, if I remember correctly. They are very close to each other when it comes to award recognition but in my opinion Sterners award recognition is somewhat more impressive. It is of course not perfect to compare the award recognition of a forward and a defenceman but here it is just for comparison sake.

Swedish All-Star team selections
Sterner 6 (61, 62, 63, 66, 67, 69)
Svedberg 6 (65, 66, 68, 69, 70, 71)

Guldpucken
Sterner 1 (63)
Svedberg 0

Guldskridskon (Best Swedish player at the WHC/Olympics)
Sterner 2 (67, 69)
Svedberg 0

WHC Directorate award
Sterner 1 (69)
Svedberg 1 (70)

WHC All-Star team selections
Sterner 2 (62, 69)
Svedberg 3 (68, 69, 70)

It should probably be mentioned that Sterner won the 1969 Directorate award against Firsov so the quality of their Directorate awards are probably pretty equal. Another thing worth noting is that Sterner finished ahead of Firsov in the 1969 All-Star voting too while Svedberg was clearly behind Suchy in the 1970 All-Star voting so I guess that it could be said that Sterner was a more unanimous choice as the best forward than Svedberg was as the best defenceman in those respective tournaments. But I agree that Svedbergs overall WHC All-Star record is clearly stronger. But on the other hand Sterner won Guldskridskon as Swedens best player at the WHC/Olympics two times while Svedberg never won the award. So I would personally say that their international accomplishments are pretty close. And like I said my impression has always been that Sterner was the more highly regarded player in Sweden at the time. But I was not around at the time so I can´t say for sure but it is my impression. Anyway my point is that Sterner should be close to Svedberg on the list in my opinion so hopefully he becomes available soon.

Yes versatile seems like a good word to describe Ulf Sterner. Here are some quotes from Sterners Swedish HHOF profile regarding his strenghts as a player.

"Ulf Sterner had outstanding Hockey IQ and was a very good playmaker."

"Ulf Sterner was a reliable goal-scorer and also a very tough player, who not only once got into fights at the rink/on the ice."

http://hockeyhalloffame.se/invalda_1/

Edit: Sterner also had leadership qualities. I dont know exactly which year he became the captain of Tre Kronor but I know that he at the very least was the captain between 1969 and 1971.

Regarding Sterners versatility as a player I also seem to remember him being a regular and very good penalty killer for Sweden in the available footage.

 

[VanIslander]

If anyone thinks Tikhonov is a hard-assed coach hard to build around then... read my bio info on how Tretiak and Larionov respected and backed him on the ice... and then think of how hated Scotty Bowman was.

Few will ever accuse Scotty Bowman of charm. Many other coaches praise him only grudgingly, possibly enviously. Crawford's display, extreme and embarrassing, may have been a singular manifestation of the bitter feelings many in hockey hold toward Bowman.

Players who chafe under his rule sometimes denounce him when they leave his employment. The most recent were Dino Ciccarelli and Shawn Burr of Tampa and Bob Errey of San Jose, all of whom belittled Bowman's personal quirks after he shipped them off the Red Wings roster in the past year.

Ciccarelli called Bowman ''a great coach and a rotten person.'' Errey said Bowman used Slava Kozlov as a ''Russian whipping boy'' because he knew he could intimidate Kozlov, who wouldn't fight back.

Burr said Bowman kicks over the luggage of strangers at airports. Bowman once asked Burr what Burr thought of him and Burr replied: ''You're 60 years old, you use a horn to make line changes, you play with toy trains. I think you are ********.''

But many who know Bowman, and don't necessarily like him, will admit he might be a hockey genius. Steve Shutt, who played for Bowman in the 1970's in Montreal, once said that Bowman is the kind of coach a player hates for 364 days a year before putting on his championship ring on Day 365.

http://www.nytimes.com/1997/06/09/s...tanley-cup-has-a-resounding-ring.html?mcubz=3

 

[Hedberg]

If anyone thinks Tikhonov is a hard-assed coach hard to build around then... read my bio info on how Tretiak and Larionov respected and backed him on the ice... and then think of how hated Scotty Bowman was.

I think anti-Soviet framing played a bit into this narrative. Tough sure, and he had a system that endorsed this, but I'd guess lots of North American coaches we've selected would've been as tyrannical or worse in the same situation.

 

[seventieslord]

Reading the only linked bio on Sterner doesn't provide much and I can't find anything recent searching the forum. Why does he deserve to be a top liner in an MLD after a 25 team ATD?

Tumba to me is a problematic guy to build around

And you put him next to a goalscoring two way powerforward (MacLean) I don't understand the chemistry of your first line unless Sterner is some excellent playmaker.

MacLean is your dedicated glue guy and he's marginally better offensively and intangibly than Morrow. I can't make a definitive statement either way

Sterner is a massive question mark. Tumba should be pretty good at this point.

I remember 2 years back, we were looking at guys for the communal single A or B level draft, and I had Sterner on my radar, and I'm looking at the list of seasons he was near the scoring leaders in Sweden and internationally, and.... it wasn't awe-inspiring. And this was when his competition was guys like Joe Carveth and Tony Tanti.

 

[seventieslord]

Third lines

Vanek - 481
Pominville - 462
Hay - 447
= 1390

Courtnall - 402
Pappin - 444
Martin - 494
= 1370

The closest of our lines offensively is our third ones

Courtnall's bio is pretty much nonexistant, he brings "sandpaper" and what else? Weak offense?

Pappin seems like a guy really held back by his coaches and managed in spite of that to put up points and play solid hockey. Guess he has a comment or two about his defensive play and has decent offence.

Pit Martin somehow missed my radar and looks to be a great option at the 3C spot. No much I can say to detract from him except his size especially if he lines up against Hay ever.

So based on the personnel it looks like this is set to be a two way line much like mine. However my line has superior offensive talent and maybe slightly weaker defensive ones.

Defensively Pominville and Pappin are probably even and Hay vs Martin would become the debate there.

You're taking third liners who, for the most part, aren't on the PP, and comparing their raw numbers which include time on the PP.

 

[seventieslord]

This is as distasteful as trying to talk history with 70slord.

WTF is this??

 

[seventieslord]

With that in mind you probably have the advantage in net.

well, you gave him that point pretty easily.