Mitchell Marner vs Sebastian Aho

Discussion in 'Polls - (hockey-related only)' started by Asiantuntija, Mar 12, 2018.

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Your choice?

Poll closed Apr 7, 2018.
  1. Mitchell Marner

    56.5%
  2. Sebastian Aho

    43.5%
  1. LeafGrief

    LeafGrief Nylander will be a C

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    Does somebody want to actually post some stats about Aho's defense compared to Marner's? Or are you all just going to keep spouting off about how "Aho's better defensively" as if it isn't the lamest excuse to separate wingers ever. At 5on5 Marner has better corsi relative to his teammates (+4.02 to -1.11), better xGA/60 (2.35 to 2.44) and is far better at takeaways (61 to 43). Aho has some stronger raw numbers due to his much higher ice time (20 minutes more in 4 less games played). Those defensive numbers also include Marner's time playing on a line with Bozak and JVR, two notorious defensive black holes. Aho plays with Jordan Staal. Aho plays against the tougher competition, which makes his results quite impressive, but there is very little to show that he's actually better than Marner defensively.

    There, that's my completely and utterly cherry picked set of stats. Now show me yours and we'll actually have a real discussion, not just a bunch of bs.
     
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  2. my name is Bob

    my name is Bob Registered User

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    How exactly do you think Aho "creates more offense" when he has less points, but gets more playing time?
     
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    I think it´s Marner now but Aho in the future so i voted Aho. Marner is really good though so i might be wrong. For this season Aho had a really bad start but has gotten hotter if i don´t remember it wrong.
     
  4. Narow

    Narow Registered User

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    Sure i can post some.

    Marner vs Aho

    Toi: 897 vs 918 (minutes)

    Goals: 12 vs 16
    Assists: 18 vs 20
    Points: 30 vs 36
    Primary points: 22 vs 29
    P/60: 2.01 vs 2.35

    Cf/ca/cf% = 912/828/52.41% vs 955/825/53.65

    Wont post the cf relative to teammates as you already did...looks like marners line has let up 3 more chances in less time tho..hence why its a bit shady to use rel stats like that ill show you why here.

    Gf/ga/gf% = 40/40/50% vs 44/41/51,76%

    GF relative to teammates = -5.14 vs +8.91

    Because matthews is on the leafs that wrecks marners relgf%, staal is carolinas matthews in the cf department his numbers wreck ahos in relative to teammate
    ,atleast thats how i think it works, the xgf% seems off aswell.

    Xgf%= +4.52 vs -2.36.


    Anyways for some defensive stats here are their chances against.

    Their ca/60 are as follows

    Marner
    Ca/60 = 55.38

    Aho
    Ca/60 = 53.92

    So at 5v5 aho seems a bit more effective while i cant really see any huge differences in defensive numbers altho this too seems to favor aho.

    Aho faces significantly tougher competion altho i dont think that really makes a big difference.

    In relation to their team marners is actually doing better defensively as they bleed less chances against compared to matthews line (matthews ca/60 is a whopping 62.04...823 chances against in 796 minutes he was in the 60's his rookie season too)

    Anyways i dont know if any of this made us any smarter what do you say?
     
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  5. Narow

    Narow Registered User

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    Their cf/60 is too even to really say one over the other


    Marner cf/60 = 61.00
    Aho cf/60 = 62.83

    Almost 2 chances more for aho...per hour playtime xD but yeah even that goes to aho ststistically...doesnt mean the quality of chances are better tho something you just need to see
     
  6. The List Of Jericho

    The List Of Jericho Drink it in man....Go Leafs Go!!!

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    Blame the Finnish poster who’s out to prove that every Finnish player is better than his Leaf comparable
     
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    sansabri yalla masr ☭

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    I take Aho over Rantanen.
     
  8. tony d

    tony d Registered User Sponsor

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    Give me Marner here.
     
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    well no one has said these are the best players in the league. thats just you making things up. they are most certainly one of the best collections of young players in the league. I can't see how anyone would argue that.

    is there a single player over 25 playing a key role f9r the leafs? maybe kadri and he's probably 5th in the pecking order for the leafs.

    is there another team that can say they are top 10 in the league and their entire core is under 30? almost entirely under 25? I don't think so.

    so, to be clear, you're making things up when you say anyone has claimed the players you mentioned are all the best players in the league. but as a whole they make up one of, if not THE best collection of young players in the league. I'm sorry that stings you so badly. well no. not sorry. it's actually quite entertaining.
     
  10. MVPGoon

    MVPGoon Fat Salonen - Generational Goalie

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    Don't get triggered there. I start to feel bad that you get so emotional. :laugh:
     
  11. joe dirte

    joe dirte Registered User

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    triggered?

    I stated facts in response to your rambling. and you clearly have no answers to what I said. you lose.
     
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    ACC1224 Registered User

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    Wow, this is a pretty dumb post. Congrats I guess, if that was the intent.
     
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    I'll take 117 points (.801 ppg) over 102 (0.694). Marner has played his best hockey going up against the other teams top lines since being played alongside Kadri. Clearly showing a good portion (most) of the defensive issues thought to surround Marner are from the defensively inept line mates (Bozak and JvR).
     
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    I have them at the same tier. I voted Aho because of his vision and because making Teuvo Teräväinen an offensive threat. I hope Aho will get better teammates so we can get too see who really is better. I actually think their even atm.
     
  15. Cleatus

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    Sitting here with bowl of popcorn in anticipation of these two digging themselves to the earth’s core. Keep it up you two.
     
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    DatSnipeMatthews Registered User

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    I'll never understand why anyone cares what nationality a player is. I could care less what race, nationality, sexual orientation etc... a player is. I care about whether or not they play for my team :laugh: and if they are good at playing hockey.
     
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    You think you'll ever get a job as a GM?
     
  18. MVPGoon

    MVPGoon Fat Salonen - Generational Goalie

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    Not exactly rambling, just saw bunch of people getting mad for a dumb post.

    I congratulate you for winning the trigger happy award. :laugh:
     
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    They lose every game, where's he carrying them?
     
  20. Asiantuntija

    Asiantuntija Laine > Matthews

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    Because eye test says so. He has more tools on the offense and he will be better player now and future
     
  21. Sweetbutt

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    aho for me
     
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    It's funny that a PANEL OF HOCKEY EXPERTS have stated that Marner's hockey IQ is completely on another level. They never say that about Aho, have your eyes tested!
     
  23. Asiantuntija

    Asiantuntija Laine > Matthews

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    We well see which one turns out to be the better player.
     
  24. leafsfan2point0

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    Your profile says Laine is better than Matthews. Apparently two-way play only matters when it fits your agenda eh
     
  25. my name is Bob

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    Definitely not. You should look at Marner's ohl numbers and watch him on the ice. His offensive ceiling is insane.

    Edit: you say he's gonna breakout, but when's that gonna happen? His shooting percentage is very high already.
     

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