Minor League Thread 2017-18: Part VIII

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nyr2k2

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Lettieri from Pedrie and Bigras ties it with 3:30 to go. Pack have come from 3 down and a goalie change.
 

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Lettieri from Pedrie and Bigras ties it with 3:30 to go. Pack have come from 3 down and a goalie change.

According to the AHL website, the Pack outshot them 19-1 in the 3rd. Either they were totally dominant, or Springfield was just sitting back all period.

And of course the 1st shot in OT is a goal against lol. At least they got a point.
 

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I saw the standings and it's probable that they won't make the playoffs. They would if the Rangers didn't call up their entire defense though.
P.S: Andersson has a better PPG than Chytil ( I just wanna watch the world burns).
 

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Never bought into Chytil being more NHL ready than Andersson. Andersson should easily make the team next year. Not so sure about Chytil.
 

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Is Zborovskiy hurt? I seriously hope they aren't that stupid to play a career scrub over him in Huber when Zborovskiy played 9 games and was a plus 1 unlike most of the defenseman on that team that can't play defense. Smith and Sproul at this point should be in the ECHL.
 

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What a terrible first period on Military appreciation night... just terrible. Maybe even so terrible, they might accuse the WP to have weapons of mass destruction and send troops to the XL Center to invade *lol*
 

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What a terrible first period on Military appreciation night... just terrible. Maybe even so terrible, they might accuse the WP to have weapons of mass destruction and send troops to the XL Center to invade *lol*

Joey Leach and Hubert Labrie both -2, and playing over Crawley and Zborovskiy. Been that way for a few weeks now.
 
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Joey Leach and Hubert Labrie both -2, and playing over Crawley and Zborovskiy. Been that way for a few weeks now.

With the way they played the 2nd period... This Military appreciation night has quickly turned into "Operation Missed Playoffs"...

With Tom Selleck's departure, I can live with Joey Trebiani Leach as the no. 6 D-man, cus if I get it right, he is also a semi-goon, which is not bad to have in the AHL. WTF is the reason the two new guys Labrie and that Albert dude are doing on this team?... None.
 
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FWIW I do think Leach is a garbage player. I don't think Zborovskiy has much of a legitimate shot at an NHL career but I do think he could at least be what Leach is, an AHL/ECHL tweener. And if they're just going to sit Zborovskiy they may as well send him down where he can play, or even try to find another AHL team where he could play on loan.

Labrie and Albert are different stories. They're both legitimate AHL vets who have been good players. Albert in particular, I know he was having a slow year, but he has been a 40+ point guy down there and even seen a bit of NHL action. That he has been completely invisible since his acquisition is surprising. He may just be playing out the string looking forward to next year when he'll probably head overseas.
 

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And how many of these AHL games have you watched?
I've only seen one of his AHL games. I watched a lot of his Junior games, when I didn't think he was that good.

I didn't think he was that good coming out of the WHL, then he gets assigned to the ECHL, and now he can't find a spot on a defensively-deficient AHL team. I never thought he was that good, and even having only seen him once this year, the rest of the evidence seems to support my belief.

I thought he had third-pair upside. I don't know if he still does. Maybe. Time will tell. In the meantime however I don't think it's any travesty that he's not playing AHL hockey over other guys on the roster.
 

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I've only seen one of his AHL games. I watched a lot of his Junior games, when I didn't think he was that good.

I didn't think he was that good coming out of the WHL, then he gets assigned to the ECHL, and now he can't find a spot on a defensively-deficient AHL team. I never thought he was that good, and even having only seen him once this year, the rest of the evidence seems to support my belief.

I wouldn't be trusting the Rangers organization right now when it comes to defensive prospects. They've done a terrible job in recent years in this area, and I think there's a fundamental problem with what they want out of the defense. Either way, I completely disagree. He looked really good in juniors, seemingly was doing well in the ECHL if he kept getting called up, and the reviews posted here from Beacon about his AHL play were pretty good. He didn't play many AHL games though, so we aren't going off much.

But whoever it is, I don't think AHL plugs should be playing over the team's prospects. I don't see how that makes any sense. And if you think one of your prospects isn't ready for the AHL, why is he sitting in the stands in the AHL instead of playing in the ECHL?
 

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I wouldn't be trusting the Rangers organization right now when it comes to defensive prospects. They've done a terrible job in recent years in this area, and I think there's a fundamental problem with what they want out of the defense. Either way, I completely disagree. He looked really good in juniors, seemingly was doing well in the ECHL if he kept getting called up, and the reviews posted here from Beacon about his AHL play were pretty good. He didn't play many AHL games though, so we aren't going off much.

But whoever it is, I don't think AHL plugs should be playing over the team's prospects. I don't see how that makes any sense. And if you think one of your prospects isn't ready for the AHL, why is he sitting in the stands in the AHL instead of playing in the ECHL?
Pionk and Gilmour look fine. I wouldn't blame the Rangers organization, we never lost a player that went on a rampage with another team.
 

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I wouldn't be trusting the Rangers organization right now when it comes to defensive prospects. They've done a terrible job in recent years in this area, and I think there's a fundamental problem with what they want out of the defense. Either way, I completely disagree. He looked really good in juniors, seemingly was doing well in the ECHL if he kept getting called up, and the reviews posted here from Beacon about his AHL play were pretty good. He didn't play many AHL games though, so we aren't going off much.

But whoever it is, I don't think AHL plugs should be playing over the team's prospects. I don't see how that makes any sense. And if you think one of your prospects isn't ready for the AHL, why is he sitting in the stands in the AHL instead of playing in the ECHL?

I remember Beacon saying several times about Zborovskiy's skating that it kind of sucks. That that is holding him back a lot. Maybe I'm wrong and he'll chime in to say so. But one way or the other the additions of Hajek, Lindgren and Rykov just made things a whole lot tougher in the near future for guys like Zborovskiy, Day, Sjalin, Reunanen, Nanne, Pedrie and Crawley. Zborovskiy may be the worst skater in the entire bunch.

It will also be interesting if Bereglazov is in camp again next year too. He's got that bit of AHL experience now and he's got a lot better idea of whatever adjustments needing to be made. He could surprise.
 

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Re: the Rangers and defensive prospects in recent years.

1) You're forgetting Skjei.
2) We had company man Ken at the helm for far too long.
3) Our WHL scout (responsible for Zborovsky) apparently sucked.
 

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I wouldn't be trusting the Rangers organization right now when it comes to defensive prospects. They've done a terrible job in recent years in this area, and I think there's a fundamental problem with what they want out of the defense. Either way, I completely disagree. He looked really good in juniors, seemingly was doing well in the ECHL if he kept getting called up, and the reviews posted here from Beacon about his AHL play were pretty good. He didn't play many AHL games though, so we aren't going off much.

But whoever it is, I don't think AHL plugs should be playing over the team's prospects. I don't see how that makes any sense. And if you think one of your prospects isn't ready for the AHL, why is he sitting in the stands in the AHL instead of playing in the ECHL?
How have we done a bad job with defensive prospects? I mean I know you loved Graves and are obviously unhappy the team didn't share your opinion, but otherwise I think we've done fine. I can't think of anything we screwed up. We really haven't even had that many.

I don't remember anything specific about what Beacon said about Zborovskiy other than mentioning some skating concerns, which has always been the concern. Either way, Beacon and I don't always agree in our evaluations, so what he saw in a couple games isn't going to change my opinion that I've developed over a few years.

Finally, I agree that it's unwise that Zborovskiy is just sitting, and said as much.
 

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Pionk and Gilmour look fine. I wouldn't blame the Rangers organization, we never lost a player that went on a rampage with another team.

We went from having the best defense in the NHL a few seasons ago to probably the worst in the NHL right now.

When we went to the finals, we had at least four top 4 defensemen with McDonagh, Stralman, Girardi and Staal, might've even been four top 2-3 defensemen. We are less than four years removed from that. Now we are icing the Rob O'Gara's of the world.

Pionk and Gilmour look fine as bottom pairing defensemen. The only top 4 they've added is Skjei, and I guess maybe Shattenkirk, but he was a UFA who I'm not even sure it was smart to add. They signed Dan Boyle instead of Stralman. Bought out Staal instead of Girardi who's playing well in the top 4 for the best team in the league. They signed Brendan Smith to a long-term contract because he had good advanced stats, even though his on-ice play sucked. They traded for DeAngelo as a big part of the Stepan trade, and he sucks. Doesn't even look like an NHL'er. He's getting outplayed by Pionk and Gilmour, two players who signed as free agents. They signed Bereglazov, gave him absolutely no chance to make a team that sucks defensively, and could've used a defensive defenseman who can defend. Was that Bereglazov? I don't know, but they gave him no chance. Graves got no chance, even though he was outplaying the guys they were calling up.

I don't know how anyone could be happy with how this organization has handled the defense the last few years, so I'm not sure we should be trusting their defense decisions right now. I certainly don't, I think this front-office has done a terrible job with the defense in a lot of different aspects the last few years.
 

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I remember Beacon saying several times about Zborovskiy's skating that it kind of sucks. That that is holding him back a lot. Maybe I'm wrong and he'll chime in to say so. But one way or the other the additions of Hajek, Lindgren and Rykov just made things a whole lot tougher in the near future for guys like Zborovskiy, Day, Sjalin, Reunanen, Nanne, Pedrie and Crawley. Zborovskiy may be the worst skater in the entire bunch.

It will also be interesting if Bereglazov is in camp again next year too. He's got that bit of AHL experience now and he's got a lot better idea of whatever adjustments needing to be made. He could surprise.

I'm not trying to rag on Beacon, I appreciate his updates, but I don't take everything he says with full seriousness. If you look at his updates, along with updates of how they are playing, he'll add narratives to a lot of players. They are there for Gropp, Georgiyev, Chytil, Andersson, Gilmour, Tambellini, etc. Some are probably valid, and others might not, but in terms of evaluation of Zborovskiy's play, he gave good updates, so I'm not sure nyr2k2's assessment that he's an ECHL/AHL tweener when he's doing well, if Beacon's updates are to be believed, is correct.

I think you are right that the secondary defensive prospects have it harder, they are now competing for less spots now, but that wasn't the discussion here. I am wondering why we are playing AHL plugs over our team's own prospects, especially when those plugs are playing poorly.
 

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We went from having the best defense in the NHL a few seasons ago to probably the worst in the NHL right now.

When we went to the finals, we had at least four top 4 defensemen with McDonagh, Stralman, Girardi and Staal, might've even been four top 2-3 defensemen. We are less than four years removed from that. Now we are icing the Rob O'Gara's of the world.

Pionk and Gilmour look fine as bottom pairing defensemen. The only top 4 they've added is Skjei, and I guess maybe Shattenkirk, but he was a UFA who I'm not even sure it was smart to add. They signed Dan Boyle instead of Stralman. Bought out Staal instead of Girardi who's playing well in the top 4 for the best team in the league. They signed Brendan Smith to a long-term contract because he had good advanced stats, even though his on-ice play sucked. They traded for DeAngelo as a big part of the Stepan trade, and he sucks. Doesn't even look like an NHL'er. He's getting outplayed by Pionk and Gilmour, two players who signed as free agents.

I don't know how anyone could be happy with how this organization has handled the defense the last few years.
I was refering to the developing of defensemen. Anyway, Staal buyout is worse than Girardi and he can play better with a different system, maybe even better than Girardi. Stralman decision was asinine, plain and simple. O'Gara is just playing for the tank.
Smith's play this year was impossible to predict, the great majority of this forum thougth it was a good sign at the time. I like DeAngelo as bottom 4, pp specialist, and I think Pionk hás a top 4 potential.

The team sucked this year, mainly because of injuries and AV. I think these guys would play much better in a better enviroment.
 
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Pavel Buchnevich

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How have we done a bad job with defensive prospects? I mean I know you loved Graves and are obviously unhappy the team didn't share your opinion, but otherwise I think we've done fine. I can't think of anything we screwed up. We really haven't even had that many.

I don't remember anything specific about what Beacon said about Zborovskiy other than mentioning some skating concerns, which has always been the concern. Either way, Beacon and I don't always agree in our evaluations, so what he saw in a couple games isn't going to change my opinion that I've developed over a few years.

Finally, I agree that it's unwise that Zborovskiy is just sitting, and said as much.

See my post to @Fvital92 for how we've went from the best defense in the league to the worst in about four years, which includes what I believe to be a lot of bad decisions on the prospect side. Not giving Graves a chance was just one of many bad decisions, in my opinion. You seem to be trying to trying to paint my opinion into a corner that doesn't apply. This was after you changed the discussion to bait an argument. I'm trying to be polite about this, but your motivation here seems beyond questionable.

My initial point was only that those two D prospects were sitting, and two non-Ranger property players were playing. I don't know how an argument is being derived out of there, thats not an opinion to argue with, its a fact, at least on the Zborovskiy side of things. I was unaware that Crawley is injured. You have made no mention that you don't understand why they are sitting in the press box until now, so I don't know where you are getting the "said as much" part from.
 
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