Mike Hoffman VS Ryan Nugent-Hopkins

[Disappointed EP40]

Hoffman clearly has more offensive contributions, but does RNH defensive ability make up for the difference? Does RNH's history of injuries make him worth less? Does Hoffman's line-mates add to his totals?

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[Bjornar Moxnes]

Hoffman clearly has more offensive contributions, but does RNH defensive ability make up for the difference? Does RNH's history of injuries make him worth less? Does Hoffman's line-mates add to his totals?

Not sure how a guy who starts more in the Ozone relative to team yet has worse suppression and goals against metrics than his peers is considered better defensively. Hoffman is actually underrated defensively.

 

[Makar Goes Fast]

rnh having some sort of defensive acumen is just a rumour that people believe for whatever reason since he was drafted.

 

[Icebreakers]

rnh having some sort of defensive acumen is just a rumour that people believe for whatever reason since he was drafted.

That's what happens when you get compared to Datsyuk.

 

[Machinehead]

Hoffman is also very good defensively so RNH has no chance here.

 

[Disappointed EP40]

Would anyone trade Hoffman for RNH ?

 

[XXIV97]

rnh having some sort of defensive acumen is just a rumour that people believe for whatever reason since he was drafted.

Not surprised that you think Nugent-Hopkin's reputation of defensive center is inaccurate when you have called him a grinder.

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/threads/leagues-best-low-scoring-grinders.2463929/#post-142973513

rnh

 

[Disappointed EP40]

Not surprised that you think Nugent-Hopkin's reputation of defensive center is inaccurate when you have called him a grinder.

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/threads/leagues-best-low-scoring-grinders.2463929/#post-142973513

Just because he thinks he's a grinder, doesn't mean he can't think his reputation as a defensive center is inaccurate. Those two are not mutually exclusive.

Way to 'zing' him with that link though?

 

[XXIV97]

Ryan Nugent-Hopkins is on pace for a for a 57 point season, with 30 goals (PPG = 0.69, GPG = 0.37). While Mike Hoffman is on pace for 60 point season, with 26 goals (PPG = 0.73, GPG = 0.31). So in terms of offense, I would say it would be a tie.

Then you factor in that Ryan Nugent-Hopkins is 4 years younger and plays a more important position. And I would say that Ryan Nugent-Hopkins defensive game is better than Hoffman's. So I would take Hopkins.

 

[XXIV97]

Just because he thinks he's a grinder, doesn't mean he can't think his reputation as a defensive center is inaccurate. Those two are not mutually exclusive.

Way to 'zing' him with that link though?

If he thinks Hopkins is grinder, should we really take his opinion seriously?

 

[Pay Carl]

rnh having some sort of defensive acumen is just a rumour that people believe for whatever reason since he was drafted.

This seems to be the new thing people pull out when a player isn’t living up to the hype or is losing a comparison or something

 

[Lemontree]

I believe Hoffman is the better offensive player however I don’t believe the gap is large enough to make up the value difference of a C vs W.

Given the choice I would select RNH for my Leafs going forward.

 

[Machinehead]

I believe Hoffman is the better offensive player however I don’t believe the gap is large enough to make up the value difference of a C vs W.

Given the choice I would select RNH for my Leafs going forward.

Centers are not inherently better two-way players just because they're centers.

They have to actually be better.

 

[Disappointed EP40]

If he thinks Hopkins is grinder, should we really take his opinion seriously?

That’s a valid point I guess.

 

[Lemontree]

Centers are not inherently better two-way players just because they're centers.

They have to actually be better.

I agree however it is easier to be defensively responsible as a winger than as a C.

I am of the belief that it is easier to find competent wingers than Centers either already in the league or in the draft. I also viewed from a Leafs perspective when I said I would take RNH. Leafs are deeper on the wing at the NHL level and prospect level.