Miikka Kiprusoff's HOF Case

[Bleedred]

He was? Osgood was an okay goalie with a dynasty in front of him. Reminds me a lot like Crawford. CuJo is there with Kipper.

I think Crawford is a pretty good goalie, with a dynasty in front of him. Not that I'd really call it a dynasty, as the 2013 team had significant changes from the 2010 team, Crawford being one of those changes himself. I don't think it's a fair enough comparison.

For what it's worth, Osgood was a GREAT playoff goaltender. Even when he looked like he was completely washed up and finished during the 08-09 season, he managed to look as good as he had in either of his two cups winning playoffs, in an SCF losing effort.

 

[SmellOfVictory]

• Stanley Cup Champion – 1997, 1998, 2008
• 2-time winner of the Jennings
• 10th all-time in wins
• 8th in all-time playoff wins
• 4th in all-time playoff shut-outs

you haven't watched either obviously. Osgood was a damn good goalie

If I had the game on the line and got to choose between ozzy or Kipper I choose the guy who was a beast in the playoffs more than one season.

In order:
-played for a near dynasty
-played for a near dynasty
-played for a near dynasty
-played for a near dynasty
-played for a near dynasty

He was an adequate goalie on one of the most continuously strong teams in the last 30 years.

 

[Bleedred]

I always thought Osgood was quite a bit behind Roy, Hasek, Brodeur, Belfour and maybe even Joseph, cup wins aside.

He's also a little bit better than some give him credit for. He also lacked consistency from year to year in the regular season, during his career. He was really poor from 2002-2006. He had one decent season in there in 03-04. He even initially signed with Detroit the second time, during the mid 00's to backup Legace and then Hasek.

Honestly, the guy was pretty mediocre as a regular season goalie between 2002 and the end of his career. He only had a few above average seasons in that stretch, but he had a couple really good playoff runs to the finals in back to back years in 08 and 09.

 

[Goldenshark]

I remember Kipper being an ok backup to Nabakov who couldn't win the starting job from him and then was traded to Calgary and a year or two later beats Nabby in the Western Conference Finals, it's like why didn't Kiprusoff play like that for us?

Hall of Fame, no way, Marleau has a way better chance at making it than he does.

 

[Canucks1096]

I always thought Osgood was quite a bit behind Roy, Hasek, Brodeur, Belfour and maybe even Joseph, cup wins aside.

He's also a little bit better than some give him credit for. He also lacked consistency from year to year in the regular season, during his career. He was really poor from 2002-2006. He had one decent season in there in 03-04. He even initially signed with Detroit the second time, during the mid 00's to backup Legace and then Hasek.

Honestly, the guy was pretty mediocre as a regular season goalie between 2002 and the end of his career. He only had a few above average seasons in that stretch, but he had a couple really good playoff runs to the finals in back to back years in 08 and 09.

Ken Holland couldn't even make a trade for Osgood. Had to put him on waivers

 

[Seanaconda]

not even if goalies could get in as easy as other positions

 

[Bleedred]

Ken Holland couldn't even make a trade for Osgood. Had to put him on waivers

When you acquire Hasek in 2001, I don’t think you really care about waiving Osgood or really any goalie. Wasn’t Joseph waived at one point when Hasek came out of retirement in 2003? And nobody wanted him. He was still a good goaltender, at least for another year or so.

I don’t remember what kind of contract Osgood was on at the time, but Osgood was pretty solid until around 2002. He was mediocre from 02 to the end of his career, but he did have a couple great playoffs later on. Could have just been a random 4o some odd games, if that’s the way you look at it.

I wouldn’t hold Osgood being waived against his play at that point. We know he wasn’t better than the guy that he was waived for. That’s universally agreed upon.

 

[PunkRockLocke]

I think Hossa is a HHOF'er.

I think Hossa is a no brainer to be in the HHOF

Kiprusoff...it is close, but my vote is no. Chris Osgood ahead of him, and he also probably shouldn't get in

 

[TomasHertlsRooster]

No, no, no, no, no and no.

If you put him in the HOF, you have to add a lot more goalies to the HOF. I mean, if you put him in the HOF, you have to put Tim Thomas in the HOF, you probably even have to put Chris Osgood in the HOF and you might even have to put Ryan Miller in the HOF. And you'd definitely have to put Tom Barrasso in the HOF too.

Tim Thomas is a weird case. I don't really think you can compare him to anybody, because his peak was debatably the best of any goalie ever.

 

[Eisen]

No, no, no, no, no and no.

If you put him in the HOF, you have to add a lot more goalies to the HOF. I mean, if you put him in the HOF, you have to put Tim Thomas in the HOF, you probably even have to put Chris Osgood in the HOF and you might even have to put Ryan Miller in the HOF. And you'd definitely have to put Tom Barrasso in the HOF too.

If you put Kipper in, you have to put Vokoun in.

 

[Bleedred]

Tim Thomas is a weird case. I don't really think you can compare him to anybody, because his peak was debatably the best of any goalie ever.

Thomas did have some of the best 4-5 years of any goalie ever, at least as far as personal play goes. I think he'll miss out though, due to longevity.

If you put Kipper in, you have to put Vokoun in.

Vokoun is another one. He doesn't have the Vezina that Kiprusoff did, never went to a SCF either, but I think he was a better goaltender than Kipper. He was good in Nashville, he was really good in Florida, they were just a really bad team while he was there. I don't think he was ever on a team with a legitimate chance of contending. Maybe the 2013 Pens, where he was originally supposed to be the backup, but took over for Fleury in the playoffs, after he was really awful for the first few games. And Vokoun was awesome during that run. I felt bad for him the most on that team, after they were swept by Boston in the ECF. He played awesome, but his team barely average more than a goal per game in that series. He was easily the most underrated of that era. His lack of playoff appearances/big game appearances were the product of playing for some BAD teams. Not even just mediocre teams, but BAD teams, outside of his last couple of years in Nashville. I'm glad he had that playoff run in 2013, since he was more than deserving of playing some big games like that. It put a cap on a career, where he massively underachieved, due to playing for mostly awful teams.

I only personally mentioned Ryan Miller, as he has a Vezina, much like Kipper did. And he might soon be the most winning American born goalie of all time, but Quick will pass him and smash that one, as he has much more career left in him. I do think Kipper's best years were better than Miller's best. I always considered Miller just an above average/solid goalie. Never really elite, outside of that one season. Vokoun was much more consistent than Miller was.

 

[Eisen]

Tim Thomas is a weird case. I don't really think you can compare him to anybody, because his peak was debatably the best of any goalie ever.

I really don't know about Thomas. If you'd have asked me right after he retired, I would have said yes. But looking back, I'm not so sure anymore. He has this two magical seasons with a lot of mediocre in between and around. His career path is very unusual, too.

 

[MisterNoItAll]

Because it's true?

Not only is he not a HHOF’er, but he’s definitely not a HHOF’er!

 

[grim]

Not quite.

I mean, Kipper was better than Cechmanek by quite a bit. I know it's the Hockey Hall Of Fame and not the NHL Hall Of Fame, so you take into accounts Cechmanek's European career, which wasn't bad, but I still don't think he matches up with Kipper.

Olaf Kolzig!

 

[Lunatik]

No. You need to be dominant for a substantial part of your career. Kipper was the best goalie in the league at one time, yes, but so was Jose Theodore. He didn't sustain his time at the top for long enough to be a consideration.

Agreed, Kipper was simply not good enough for long enough to get consideration.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Ick.

Kipper was a great goalie but not quite HOF material.

Osgood was definitely not HOF material, nor is Crawford, even though Crawford is probably the better goalie.

Joseph will probably get there someday, and will be deserving as a lower-end addition. Luongo will probably follow him.

 

[SotasicA]

Osgood kind of sucked. The Wings won despite of him, not because of him.

CuJo was real good at times, especially in St.Louis. Kipper was slightly better.

And no, none of them should be in the Hall.

 

[MXD]

Kipper should probably be a barometer goalie, in that, if your case isn't demonstrably better than Kipper, you shouldn't be in the HHOF.

 

[The Macho King]

Tim Thomas is a weird case. I don't really think you can compare him to anybody, because his peak was debatably the best of any goalie ever.

Ummm.... it wasn't the best of any goalie ever.

 

[tony d]

Kipper had a very good career but can't see him making the Hall of Fame. As to the Joseph/Kipper/Osgood debate. Give me Joseph then Kipper then Osgood.

 

[K Fleur]

Osgood was the weakest link of those Detroit teams. That’s the main reason they were always looking to replace him.

A team actively looking to replace you in your prime because you suck doesn’t really scream HHOF material to me.

 

[Mickey Marner]

He's probably the player that was hurt the most by the 04/05 lockout. Had that season been played and he maintained his Vezina-level play that he displayed on either side of the lockout, the answer might be yes. But, as is, no.

 

[Calgareee]

You're underselling Kipper here imo. The guy was absolute cold steel in his prime, stealing games left right and centre. At his peak he had much more impact on games than Hossa or Marleau ever did.

He needed a cup to have an actual shot though.

For thread substance:

I miss Peter

 

[haak84]

If Kipper had a few more slightly above average seasons, he would be Henrik Lundqvist.

It amazes me how people consider Henrik a lock but completely shun away goalies of Miikka's caliber. He didn't start until he was traded to the Flames because he came up around the same time as Nabokov. He missed a season at his peak because of the lockout and he averaged 70+ games and nearly 40 wins on an average team from '05-'12.

 

[djpatm]

Miikka is getting under appreciated in here.

He was probably the most athletic and acrobatic goalie of his era and he carried a pretty terrible '04 Flames squad to the cup final through all of the division winners, in what was one of the most dominant seasons by a goalie in history (set record for GAA at the time).

It's a shame he missed a season during his peak cause of the lock out but he peaked really high and was without a doubt the best goalie in the league for 2-4 years.

I can agree that his career wasn't top of the league for long enough to make the hall. That cup in '04 which he technically won would've helped his case ....