Miikka Kiprusoff's HOF Case

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  1. treple13

    treple13 Registered User

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    Explain what's so funny about that. Okay, I can see CuJo vs. Kipper being preference. CuJo was good for longer, but never had quite the peak Kipper had. He definitely has a more traditional HoF case.

    And if I have to explain why he's better than Osgood you've obviously never watched either of those goalies play.
     
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    But then Joseph and Osgood were nowhere near as good either.
     
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    There is zero argument for Kipper being as good as Cujo or Osgood. Unless you'e 12 years old and never got to see ozzy or cujo...
     
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    Kiprusoff had the best peak, for sure.

    But if it's so obvious, prove it.
     
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    Evincar I have found the way

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    Saw both and Kipper was considerably better than Osgood.
     
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    • Stanley Cup Champion – 1997, 1998, 2008
    • 2-time winner of the Jennings
    • 10th all-time in wins
    • 8th in all-time playoff wins
    • 4th in all-time playoff shut-outs
    you haven't watched either obviously. Osgood was a damn good goalie

    If I had the game on the line and got to choose between ozzy or Kipper I choose the guy who was a beast in the playoffs more than one season.
     
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    I should hope everyone who comments in this thread "saw both"

    Kipper was good for 3 years. He had a high peak. He was a damn good goalie. But he was no way better than Cujo or Osgood. No chance.
     
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    For 7/8 years he was in the top ten for the Vezina, 4 of those in the top 5 and winning it once, and also top 5 for the Hart twice. He was the backbone of a Calgary team for years and years.

    Osgood was good but he played on a stacked Red Wings team for a good portion of his career. He had some amazing seasons but for the majority of his career he was 'good' whereas the majority of Kiprusoff's career he was amazing.

    I can understand the argument of longevity, but on who was the better goaltender? Kiprusoff, no doubt. Kipper vs Cujo would be a much closer, flip a coin type of deal. But Osgood doesn't deserve to be in the conversation between these 2.
     
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    Ponyboy Gold Bart > Janko

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    OK, that's wrong. Kiprusoff was a top-10 NHL goalie from 2004 to 2012.
     
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    Yeeeeah, no. He'll be remembered fondly by Flames fans, but as already mentioned due to his lack of success he wouldn't even get an honourable mention in the HHOF.
     
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    7 times he was top 8 in Vezina voting and twice top 4 in Hart voting. More than a couple years he was good. However no hhof.
     
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    Evincar I have found the way

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    Osgood was a decent goalie who was fortunate enough to be play for the best team in the league for most of his career. It is pretty telling that he was never really considered for Team Canada when it came to international play. He was also put on waivers in his prime.
     
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    Well I think you'd be alone there. The Red Wings barely even trusted Osgood. There's a reason they got rid of him the first time and tried to upgrade.

    And a lot of the the things listed there aren't even his accomplishments. He was a backup for one of those Cups. And for both of the Jennings he was in a platoon. Kipper won a Jennings too, and he earned it himself.

    As for wins and playoff wins, are you honestly going to try and tell me that the Red Wings rosters vs. the Flames rosters are comparable? When did Osgood drag a team like the 2004 Flames to the Finals? Oh right, never.

    And Osgood was often branded as a playoff choker until late in his career. They brought in Vernon, because Osgood choked in '94. And after a few playoff losses such as in 2001 to the Kings, the Wings felt they needed to upgrade on him and brought in Hasek. The Wings lost Osgood at that point for NOTHING. Let that sink in. Would the Flames have ever lose Kipper for nothing?

    Osgood didn't have any playoff success (he didn't win a single playoff series) until he was brought back by the Red Wings and let's not forget that he was brought back to be the BACKUP goalie.

    It's really only after the 2008 Cup win that people started revising history to make Osgood out to be something he wasn't.

    If Kipper played for the Wings when Osgood did, the Wings would have won more Cups.

    I watched all of both goalies careers and it's not remotely close. Osgood has votes for the Vezina in as many seasons as Kipper was a nominee. I guess you'd say Osgood is better than Hasek as well since he has more wins and more Cups, yes?
     
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    Were there seasons where his backups did not win any games?
     
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    He's the best Flames player in franchise history, so yes.
     
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    Definitely a HOF'er!
     
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    Love the definitely part. LOL!
     
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    Because it's true?
     
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    Kipp seven top 8 in Vezina voting
    Cujo six top 8 in Vezina voting
    Osgood two top 8 in Vezina voting.

    Kipp twice top 4 in hart in voting
    Cujo once top 4 in hart voting
    Osgood none

    Kipp 1 Vezina
    Cujo none
    Osgood none

    So for sure there is an argument. Kipp longevity is shorter than Osgood and Cujo but has more Vezina voting
     
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    And Roman Cechmanek.
     
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    Playing elite goaltending in a mediocre team throughout his career. I mean averaging 64 games where his first and last season makes it smaller. Without them it would be 73. The peak was amazing stealing games and carrying the team. He would be a HOFer if he had won a bit more with the team.
     
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    He was? Osgood was an okay goalie with a dynasty in front of him. Reminds me a lot like Crawford. CuJo is there with Kipper.
     
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    Bleedred Boedker sucks

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    I forgot about Cujo, add him to this list too.
     
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    Bleedred Boedker sucks

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    Not quite.

    I mean, Kipper was better than Cechmanek by quite a bit. I know it's the Hockey Hall Of Fame and not the NHL Hall Of Fame, so you take into accounts Cechmanek's European career, which wasn't bad, but I still don't think he matches up with Kipper.
     

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