mid-80s Whalers: most successful post-career team?

vadim sharifijanov

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i just find this weird —

the 1986 hartford whalers had two current NHL head coaches: dave tippett of the oilers and dean evason of the wild.

tippett and the now-disgraced joel quenneville are two of the most successful coaches of the 21st century. kevin dineen (panthers) and john anderson (thrashers) also had multi-year stints as NHL head coaches in the middle of very long careers as AHL (and in anderson's case also IHL) head coaches.

brad shaw got half a season as an interim head coach after the islanders fired steve stirling, but has been an NHL assistant for most of the last fifteen-odd years after a run as an AHL head coach.

doug jarvis had a thirty year career as mostly an NHL assistant coach, including cups with dallas and boston, as well as his own stint as an AHL head coach.

ulf samuelsson's been an NHL assistant for most of the last fifteen years himself, with one year as an AHL head coach.

steve weeks had a more than decade-long career as a goalie coach, mostly with the thrashers.

ron francis is GM of the kraken and paul fenton was briefly GM of the wild after more than fifteen years in nashville's front office.

mike liut has been a successful agent for more than twenty years and currently represents draisaitl.

ray ferraro has been one of the best broadcasters in the business for twenty years.

so that's twelve guys on that '86 team who had very long and successful post-playing careers.

but if you look at the '85 team, mark johnson spent six years as wisconsin's assistant coach before head coaching their women's team for nineteen years and counting. marty howe was an assistant coach in the IHL and AHL for seven years. and greg millen has been on hockey night in canada since the mid-90s.

and from the '87 team, dave barr was an NHL assistant for a decade after head coaching in the OHL for a handful of years, and randy ladouceur had a twenty year career assistant coaching in the NHL, AHL, and OHL, with one season as oshawa's head coach in there.

so in the span of three years, that's seventeen guys with significant post-playing careers in the game. two of them are currently in the canucks' current braintrust, such as it is. shaw is our new assistant coach and jarvis is in our front office, after a couple of years as also our assistant.

people often talk about the NHL and hockey in general as an old boys club, but usually this means the oilers or leafs, or sometimes the habs. the mid-80s hartford whalers? i just find that weird. is there something i don't know about their head coach, jack evans?
 

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vadim sharifijanov

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what a weird month for whalers GM/pittsburgh double-agent eddie johnston —

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i just find this weird —

the 1986 hartford whalers had two current NHL head coaches: dave tippett of the oilers and dean evason of the wild.

tippett and the now-disgraced joel quenneville are two of the most successful coaches of the 21st century. kevin dineen (panthers) and john anderson (thrashers) also had multi-year stints as NHL head coaches in the middle of very long careers as AHL (and in anderson's case also IHL) head coaches.

brad shaw got half a season as an interim head coach after the islanders fired steve stirling, but has been an NHL assistant for most of the last fifteen-odd years after a run as an AHL head coach.

doug jarvis had a thirty year career as mostly an NHL assistant coach, including cups with dallas and boston, as well as his own stint as an AHL head coach.

ulf samuelsson's been an NHL assistant for most of the last fifteen years himself, with one year as an AHL head coach.

steve weeks had a more than decade-long career as a goalie coach, mostly with the thrashers.

ron francis is GM of the kraken and paul fenton was briefly GM of the wild after more than fifteen years in nashville's front office.

mike liut has been a successful agent for more than twenty years and currently represents draisaitl.

ray ferraro has been one of the best broadcasters in the business for twenty years.

so that's twelve guys on that '86 team who had very long and successful post-playing careers.

but if you look at the '85 team, mark johnson spent six years as wisconsin's assistant coach before head coaching their women's team for nineteen years and counting. marty howe was an assistant coach in the IHL and AHL for seven years. and greg millen has been on hockey night in canada since the mid-90s.

and from the '87 team, dave barr was an NHL assistant for a decade after head coaching in the OHL for a handful of years, and randy ladouceur had a twenty year career assistant coaching in the NHL, AHL, and OHL, with one season as oshawa's head coach in there.

so in the span of three years, that's seventeen guys with significant post-playing careers in the game. two of them are currently in the canucks' current braintrust, such as it is. shaw is our new assistant coach and jarvis is in our front office, after a couple of years as also our assistant.

people often talk about the NHL and hockey in general as an old boys club, but usually this means the oilers or leafs, or sometimes the habs. the mid-80s hartford whalers? i just find that weird. is there something i don't know about their head coach, jack evans?

Jack Evans was the Whalers' best coach by far. I would assume most of the players you mentioned took a lot of his coaching to heart.
 

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Interesting observation. I guess it's worth noting that several of these guys went on to do bigger things with much more successful organizations (notably the Pens) so the Whalers connection may just be a coincidence.
 

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I am just wondering, is this sort of a one-off in terms of the impact the players had after their playing careers? Or can we find other teams that did this sort of thing? Like in the mid 1990s or even the 1980s again, there has to be a team that had a lot of guys who went onto successful careers afterwards, no?
 
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Yeah, it's interesting. One team that I noted was a bit like this was, of all things, the 1978-79 Cincinnati Stingers (WHA). Line-up included:

-- Robbie Ftorek (coach of Kings, Devils, Bruins)
-- Jamie Hislop (assistant coach of Calgary Flames)
-- Rick Dudley (executive with numerous clubs; head coach of Buffalo and Florida)
-- Bill Gilligan (head coach for years in Europe; including for Austrian and Swiss champions)
-- Barry Melrose (head coach for Los Angeles and Tampa Bay; analyst on ESPN)
-- Michel Parizeau (AHL and QMJHL head coach)
-- Mark Messier (Officer of the 'Order of Canada'; NHL Leadership Award named after him)
-- Gordie Clark (assistant coach of the Bruins in early 90s; currently Director of player personnel for NY Rangers)
-- Paul Stewart (NHL referee for over 1000 games, and the 1987 and 1991 Canada Cups)
-- Mike Liut (assistant coach at U. of Michigan for three years; then received a Law degree)
-- Gerry Meehan (former GM and Executive Vice-President of the Buffalo Sabres; also received a Law degree)
-- Bryan Watson (head coach of Edmonton Oilers for 18 games in 1980)

(Incidentally, this club also featured Mike Gartner, Steve Shutt's brother Byron, and Sean Shanahan, who is surely related to Brendan somehow...?)

(Also: Odd that three members of this team went on to coach Wayne Gretzky in the NHL, and another became his best friend.)
 

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I made a post about this years ago making this observation, only then I think I pointed out the 1989-90 Whalers specifically, where nearly all of the players ended up either coaching, in management, or in some front-office job. It's uncanny, especially as they weren't anything particular about them at the time.
 
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Interesting observation. I guess it's worth noting that several of these guys went on to do bigger things with much more successful organizations (notably the Pens) so the Whalers connection may just be a coincidence.

I am just wondering, is this sort of a one-off in terms of the impact the players had after their playing careers? Or can we find other teams that did this sort of thing? Like in the mid 1990s or even the 1980s again, there has to be a team that had a lot of guys who went onto successful careers afterwards, no?

re randomness, it seems weird to me that all of dineen, ferraro, samuelsson, tippett, evason, and fenton were rookies in 85.

i guess there are two directions my brain goes:

they all came from different places, not a single farm team, so it’s not like they all collectively incubated

otoh, maybe they were all moulded together on those mid-80s teams and baked as hockey lifers together
 

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I think the 76-77 Montreal Canadiens would have the Whalers beat:

Jacques Lemaire - Regarded as one of the NHLs best coaches of the last 40 years. Won a Stanley Cup with New Jersey in 1995. Coached three different franchises to the Conference Final.

Larry Robinson - Took over as New Jersey's coach in 99-00 and won the Stanley Cup with them that year. Also served as their assistant coach with their Cup win in '95.

Bob Gainey - Coached an underdog Minnesota team to the Cup Final in '91. As Stars GM, made several key moves in building the team that won the Stanley Cup in '99. Also had an underappreciated run as Montreal GM.

Serge Savard - Served as Montreal GM for 12 seasons, during which time they won 2 Stanley Cups.

Ken Dryden - One of the most respected figures in the sport. Was President of the Leafs for seven years. Also became an author and Member of Parliament.

Doug Risebrough - Assistant coach on Calgary's '89 Cup winning team. Later became Flames head coach and GM, was also GM in Minnesota.

Doug Jarvis - As noted in the original post, had a long successful career as an assistant coach.

Jim Roberts - Won two Calder Cups as head coach in Springfield in the AHL.

Guy LaPointe - Director of Amateur Scouting for the Minnesota Wild for 20 years.

John Van Boxmeer - Won Calder Cup as head coach in Rochester in '87. Also an assistant coach in NHL, and head coach in Europe.

Michel Larocque - Served as vice-president of the QMJHL.

Then again there's also Mario Tremblay and Rejean Houle, so maybe it doesn't always work out.
 

kaiser matias

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I found my old post (from 2009):

Does anyone know what team would have had the most coaches, general managers, executives, etc on the team? I was looking at the 1988-89 Whalers, and noticed they seem to have quite a large number of players who went on to coach or manage in some capacity in the NHL:

Ron Francis (assistant coach for Hurricanes)
Dave Tippet (head coach of Coyotes)
John Anderson (head coach of Thrashers)
Ulf Samuelsson (assistant coach of Coyotes)
Dean Evason (assistant coach of Capitals)
Nrom Maciver (scout for Blackhawks)
Brian Lawton (GM of Lightning)
Don Maloney (GM of Coyotes)
Joel Quinneville (coach of Blackhawks)
Kay Whitmore (goaltender supervisor for NHL)
Brad Shaw (head coach of Islanders for 40 games in 2005-06)
Randy Ladouceur (former assistant coach of Maple Leafs and Hurricanes)
Brent Peterson (assistant coach of Predators)
Al Tuer (scout for Flames, former scout for ISS and former coach and GM of WHL's Moose Jaw Warriors)

Outside of the NHL:
Kevin Dineen (head coach of AHL's Portland Pirates)
Peter Sidorkiewicz (head coach of OHL's Erie Otters)
Mike Liut (player agent, former assistant coach at University of Michigan)
Mark Reeds (head coach of OHL's Owen Sound Attack)
Terry Yake (assistant coach of a high school team in Missouri)

So out of 36 different players to play for the Whalers in at least one game, 14 are still involved in the NHL in some coaching/executive capacity, and another 5 are involved with hockey outside of the NHL, for a total of 19 Whalers working in hockey still.

The only team I can think of that has this level of involvement still would be the 1981-82 Canucks:

Colin Campbell (coached the Rangers, now NHL vice-president)
Marc Crawford (coached Nordiques, Avalanche, Canucks, Kings, Stars, Canadian Olympic team)
Jim Nill (managed Red Wings)
Ivan Hlinka (coached Penguins, Czech national team)
Curt Fraser (coached Thrashers, Belarusian national team)
Ron Delorme (head scout for Canucks)
Stan Smyl (former coach of Manitoba Moose, scouted for Canucks, now adviser to Canucks GM)
Glen Hanlon (coached Capitals, Belarusian national team)
Thomas Gradin (scout for Canucks)
Harold Snepsts (scout for Canucks)
Gary Lupul (scouted for Canucks)

So while the Canucks didn't have as many total players coach/manage as the Whalers, one could argue that the Canucks had a stronger impact, based on players like Campbell, Crawford and Nill.

Though if there was a team that has had a larger amount of players than these two teams, it would be interesting to see it.

The link to the topic: Most coaches/executives on one team
 
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vadim sharifijanov

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another non-edmonton/montreal one that comes to mind is the 91/92 blues, pre-oates trade

ron wilson
oates
hull briefly as GM of the stars
dave lowry
rich and ron sutter
brind’amour (was traded for ron sutter)
shanahan

are the ones whose post-playing careers i recognize at a glance
 

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That 1986 Whaler team, if they topple Montreal in OT they may end up winning the Cup. I kind of still think Calgary takes it (or possibly NYR) but the road for the Whalers after what would've been a scintillating Game 7 OT win at the Forum was far from impossible
 

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I think the 2002 Detroit Red Wings would probably have some impressive post career resumes, but that was a special all-star team brought together for shits and giggles and championships anyway.

Steve Yzerman, Lighting and Red Wings GM
Brendan Shanahan, Leafs President, Department of Player Safety
Luc Robitaille, Kings President
Brett Hull, Stars GM
Chris Chelios, Team USA work and Red Wings miscellany
Igor Larionov, Director of hockey operations, SKA St. Petersburg
Kris Draper, Red Wings director of amateur scouting
Jiri Fischer, Red Wings director of player development
Sean Avery, noted 'personality'
 

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I remembered this thread when I came across a profile on Jack Evans in the Montreal Gazette archives, from the 1986 Hartford-Montreal playoff series.

Apparently the way Evans developed a future crop of NHL coaches was by letting them run the team.

Some say behind Evans' back that he "isn't very strong." Others say Evans has the good sense not to coach with a strong hand.

The latter opinion has some merit, for the Whalers are a team that runs itself. Its penalty-killing unit is led by Doug Jarvis and Dave Tippett (captain of Canada's Olympic team in 1984), both of whom are blessed with fine hockey minds.

The power play is run by pointman Ron Francis, otherwise the team's first line centre. Goalie Mike Liut is very thoughtful when it comes to helping his defencemen correct their mistakes. Winger Kevin Dineen is the sparkplug.

"I've always maintained that it's the players who win the games," Evans told a Hartford reporter late last month. "Very few games, if any, are won by a strategic move a coach makes during the course of a game. The most a coach can do is organize the players, make them want to play for you, play up to their capabilities, give them some leadership and guidance. As far as outsmarting the other coach with some great move -- that's just a snow job."

So there you have it: an honest, modest man in dinosaur's clothing who rejects systems and flow charts.

Everywhere Evans has coached, his teams have been noted for their solid but unmistakably generic hockey.
"A hockey team is like a bird," Evans likes to say. "If you hold your hand open, it might fly away. If you hold it too tightly, you might kill it. All you can do is cup it softly and hope it doesn't s--- in your hand."

Also, at age 58, Evans was the oldest coach in the NHL at the time. I guess it was a different time.
 

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