Blue Jays Discussion: Meaningful Baseball Continues

[Mach85]

You are taking my quotes from 2 separate arguments.

That's the point. If you apply the logic inconsistently to two situations where the difference is the two different teams involved, it suggests bias.

 

[Starry Knight]

You are taking my quotes from 2 separate arguments.

That have the same point?

Bautista sliding with his feet down resulting in no injury is recklessly dangerous, but a pitcher throwing 98 up-and-in that doesn't result in injury is ok.

That essentially sums up your two arguments.

Seems a little contradictory, no?

 

[Red Piller]

Right, but the only thing that was legitimately illegal about the slide was the fact that he didn't hold onto the base. The perception that it was dirty was because he slid through it while Odor was still on the bag and eyeing down at Bautista when he had no reason to rest on top of it. That situation easily could have been avoided if Odor didn't decide to throw the ball at Bautista's head and actually stepped off the bag when he was transitioning to throw to first. Except he didn't, he chose to escalate it, not Bautista.

Right, or not start your slide a foot from the bag knowing full well what you are doing. Odor does have a history, but so does Jose. Both of them are not angels. Believe me, if you were in that situation, with all the tension and the history going back to last year and someone slid into you like that, you would be just as mad. Jose had a right to be mad too. But charge the mound then.

 

[Red Piller]

That have the same point?

Bautista sliding with his feet down resulting in no injury is recklessly dangerous, but a pitcher throwing 98 up-and-in that doesn't result in injury is ok.

That essentially sums up your two arguments.

Seems a little contradictory, no?

standing in the batters box receiving a 98 mile per hour pitch inside is fundamentally baseball. Is it not? If not then we may aswell pack up and go home and never play again. If you crowd the plate, expect to get pitched inside. Pitchers have a right to the entire plate. If you cant see the difference between the two then I guess we can agree to disagree.

 

[Red Piller]

That's the point. If you apply the logic inconsistently to two situations where the difference is the two different teams involved, it suggests bias.

Are you serious? You can have different opinions on different situations because that's what they call for. Every situation is different, therefor needs different logic.

 

[Leaftors]

Right, but the only thing that was legitimately illegal about the slide was the fact that he didn't hold onto the base. The perception that it was dirty was because he slid through it while Odor was still on the bag and eyeing down at Bautista when he had no reason to rest on top of it. That situation easily could have been avoided if Odor didn't decide to throw the ball at Bautista's head and actually stepped off the bag when he was transitioning to throw to first. Except he didn't, he chose to escalate it, not Bautista.

So yes, your two arguments do coincide and form a circular argument. You're playing the what if game with Bautista's slide when Odor initiated it, while you're ignoring the fact that Severino chose to throw high 90s up and in to Donaldson. If he didn't hit Donaldson, whether intentional or not, none of this would have happened. So again, the Jays did this to protect their MVP and to make sure pitchers knew not to throw up there to him, or anyone for that matter. They don't give a **** who you are, that's the bravado, that's the swag, the nature of this team.

 

[Mach85]

That's awesome. It would be a decent argument if the pitch hadn't missed the corner of the plate by more than a foot.

standing in the batters box receiving a 98 mile per hour pitch inside is fundamentally baseball. Is it not? If not then we may aswell pack up and go home and never play again. If you crowd the plate, expect to get pitched inside. Pitchers have a right to the entire plate. If you cant see the difference between the two then I guess we can agree to disagree.

Is that what you call pitching inside? Are YOU serious? If two situations are similar, two baseball plays, the main difference is the actors, one would expect someone to apply the same logic.

 

[Red Piller]

Right, but the only thing that was legitimately illegal about the slide was the fact that he didn't hold onto the base. The perception that it was dirty was because he slid through it while Odor was still on the bag and eyeing down at Bautista when he had no reason to rest on top of it. That situation easily could have been avoided if Odor didn't decide to throw the ball at Bautista's head and actually stepped off the bag when he was transitioning to throw to first. Except he didn't, he chose to escalate it, not Bautista.

So yes, your two arguments do coincide and form a circular argument. You're playing the what if game with Bautista's slide when Odor initiated it, while you're ignoring the fact that Severino chose to throw high 90s up and in to Donaldson. If he didn't hit Donaldson, whether intentional or not, none of this would have happened. So again, the Jays did this to protect their MVP and to make sure pitchers knew not to throw up there to him, or anyone for that matter. They don't give a **** who you are, that's the bravado, that's the swag, the nature of this team.

Teams are not allowed to throw up and in to Donaldson? How dare they do that, lets start a brawl. You don't see the wrong in that? Teams wont care, they will throw there more now. This does nothing but put guys on your DL

 

[Eyedea]

standing in the batters box receiving a 98 mile per hour pitch inside is fundamentally baseball. Is it not? If not then we may aswell pack up and go home and never play again. If you crowd the plate, expect to get pitched inside. Pitchers have a right to the entire plate. If you cant see the difference between the two then I guess we can agree to disagree.

Teams are not allowed to throw up and in to Donaldson? How dare they do that, lets start a brawl. You don't see the wrong in that? Teams wont care, they will throw there more now. This does nothing but put guys on your DL

http://m.mlb.com/video/v1189248083/nyytor-donaldson-gets-hit-by-a-pitch-in-the-1st/?player_id=518626

What part of his body is crowding the plate?

 

[Red Piller]

Is that what you call pitching inside? Are YOU serious? If two situations are similar, two baseball plays, the main difference is the actors, one would expect someone to apply the same logic.

I said it got away from Sev. It happens. Yeah id say that's a pretty inside pitch. Don't you? Severino has control issues sometimes. He hit your best player.

How can you apply the same logic to two separate things? Do judges do that? No. They judge based on what happened.