McKenzie on the Wings at the deadline
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we'll have our first, a first (hopefully) for green, Ottawa's second, and our Second. This is going to be a defining draft for us going forward. 4 picks in the top ~35 or so.
Plus more if we trade Nyquist/Tatar, and a goalie
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Christien
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To be fair, no one cans say that Glenny hasn't squeezed every ounce out of his ability. The guy was undrafted and then unwanted for 3 or 4 years after that. He's now (a slightly overpaid) a very good bottom line defensive forward whole score 5-10 goals a year and be a PK specialist. We all want the next Yzerman, but having someone teach the less skilled kids to be the next Drapes or Maltby is no bad thing
Presuming this is irony rather than merely stupidity...
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I thought it was clearly sarcasm.
Because he was quoting the "Helm and Abby can't mentor" post and then said an equally "dumb" statement in Bertuzzi being a bust from one mistake. If it wasn't sarcasm, it is stupid.
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I dont even think it was a mistake. Hes a young small player that plays with an edge. The team sucks and it was a bad call. It shouldve been 2 mins each for the cross check and slash, Bertuzzi is going to take his penalties but he isnt going to let a guy like Clutterbuck push the wings around like he would've 2 seasons ago. Especially if the team is shit, guys like Clutterbuck shouldnt be taking runs at the wings young guys.
I dont want to get my hopes up for this deadline but I think it could be a fun one for a wings fan. Last year Holland kinda surprised by how many picks he acquired in his first year missing playoffs, this year he may surprise even more. Dont want to get my hopes up though either
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Yeah, but then again, I am skeptical and take 90% of what anyone says online as sarcasm or not being serious until they make it clear that they are. And also, the fact that it is absurd to look to trade a promising player who has looked pretty relevant in games for a third round pick. It's not like when Nyquist assaulted Spurgeon with his stick in the face/neck. I could definitely see something like that being a "get this ****ing guy off my team". A slash to the shin pad is really nothing in the big scheme of things. It's not a cowardly move, it's just stupid. Vet Clutterbuck just provoked him into doing something dumb.
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LA is looking for a mid-level scoring winger now
Report: Kings shopping for mid-level scoring winger after Phaneuf deal
Report: Kings shopping for mid-level scoring winger after Phaneuf deal
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Looking at the Kings cap situation, the Red Wings probably don't have the best answer unless they retain a huge amount on Tatar or Nyquist or LA sends back some salary. The rental options listed in the article are probably the Kings best options.
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With us being 8 points out I could see Holland going light on trades under the mistaken impression the core of this team is competitive. So trade Green hopefully at a bare minimum. I do hope Nyquist gets moved, we needed to start getting some value for guys as they approach UFA and not sign everyone to an inflated extension complete with a NTC or NMC.
It's not essential that Nyquist be moved, it just seems like an ideal time to do it given the depth of this draft class. Getting two high quality d-man prospects would go a long way towards getting the rebuild going on the right track.
It's not essential that Nyquist be moved, it just seems like an ideal time to do it given the depth of this draft class. Getting two high quality d-man prospects would go a long way towards getting the rebuild going on the right track.
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One of Tatar or nyquist needs to go. I hope it’s not LA and we have to retain cause the whole point of moving them is the contract.
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They are both pretty much Identical. One can be traded for good picks/prospects. You won’t lose much. Trading both would be a mistake
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What's a good pick? A 2nd rounder? 45th to 60th overall?
Unless you think you can't resign Nyquist, I'm not sure why there's any need to trade either guy.
I'd start with the 31-37 year olds before I start trying to move the 27-28 year olds.
We're rebuilding. Nyquist and Tatar are not core pieces for the future. We have no use for them right now, they probably have negative value by contributing to winning games. It makes sense to move at least one of them for something that is valuable to us - draft picks and prospects. In a few years when nyquist and Tatar are in their 30s they'll have even less value to us and to everyone else, the time to move them is now. We gain nothing by holding on to them.
I agree by and large
We need to deal away a number of the guys in the 31-37 age group first and foremost for literally anything we can
Only way I deal nyquist or Tatar is if we get a first or a higher end D prospect in return.
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Again.
Priorities.
On the list of guys I'm looking to shop, Tatar and Nyquist rank low.
Sure, knock my socks off with an offer.
But if I'm the GM, I'm actively pursuing all options to trade the 31-37 year olds.
If someone presents an offer for Tatar or Nyquist that makes my socks roll up and down, great. Let's deal.
But it's not my priority.
By the way. You didn't answer my question? What's a good pick? A good return?
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I agree that older non-essential players should be targeted first, but:
1) We don't know that Holland has a single older player that he'd be willing to part with. (Most of the worst contracts are guys widely seen as lifelong Wings, for better or for worse.)
2) I'd be surprised if any of those players yielded trades that brought picks or prospects here, versus having to duct tape an asset to the bad deal in order to make it go away, which would be a net loss at the moment.
So while I would definitely PREFER them to unload some other players first, I'm also enough of a realist that, with the glut of decent forwards on the market, I don't know whether another team would want a Nyquist or a Tatar, let alone a Helm or a Nielsen (should the latter two even be available in the first place).
