Rumor: Mckenzie and Lebrun say Columbus has an offer of a late first round pick for Jack Johnson

[IceColdBear]

If Roman Polak can get you two 2nd round picks, Jack Johnson can get a late first.

That being said, I don't want the Leafs to touch this with a ten foot pole.

 

[rent free]

If Roman Polak can get you two 2nd round picks, Jack Johnson can get a late first.

That being said, I don't want the Leafs to touch this with a ten foot pole.

roman polak AND nick spaling. and they got 2 future 2nds

 

[cupcrazyman]

If Roman Polak can get you two 2nd round picks, Jack Johnson can get a late first.

That being said, I don't want the Leafs to touch this with a ten foot pole.

that's more about the GMs doing at the time......One smart,the other one dumb.......

 

[varano]

If they can get that, they should have traded him

 

[mouser]

Once again, Jackets want a roster player, a usable forward, coming back. A pick is the fallback.

So flip the pick for a roster player. A team willing to give up a 1st for JJ is unlikely to have an expendable roster forward with the value of a 1st.

 

[Filthy Dangles]

nothing to see here, this is JJ's agent fabricating a market and value that probably isn't actually there to drive up his value.

agents do this all the time

 

[CrypTic]

If Roman Polak can get you two 2nd round picks, Jack Johnson can get a late first.

That being said, I don't want the Leafs to touch this with a ten foot pole.

The trade was probably Reimer, Polak, Spaling, Morin for two 2nd round picks, Stalock, Smith, Torres, and a conditional 4th. Or basically Reimer and Polak for two 2nds and a player that they really needed to move (Torres). It still wasn't a great trade for SJ but "Polak for two 2nds" is probably not the real trade nor is it a good baseline for what to expect.

 

[CBJx614]

So flip the pick for a roster player. A team willing to give up a 1st for JJ is unlikely to have an expendable roster forward with the value of a 1st.

Everyone on the boards acts as if flipping pieces for the one you want is so easy.

But that's the fallback plan. If he has a 1st offer now, it's possible the price goes up as we get closer to the deadline, but it's entirely possible the offer vanishes entirely. Jarmo is letting the team decide. If they trade Johnson for a 1st, they're pretty much saying giving up on this season and looking towards the next one. This team needs help if it's gonna make the playoffs, let alone do anything there. A pick doesn't help that.

 

[mouser]

Everyone on the boards acts as if flipping pieces for the one you want is so easy.

But that's the fallback plan. If he has a 1st offer now, it's possible the price goes up as we get closer to the deadline, but it's entirely possible the offer vanishes entirely. Jarmo is letting the team decide. If they trade Johnson for a 1st, they're pretty much saying giving up on this season and looking towards the next one. This team needs help if it's gonna make the playoffs, let alone do anything there. A pick doesn't help that.

There's also the question of how serious was JJ with his reported trade request?

 

[McDrai]

Maybe they feel a dumbass of a GM like Montréal or Edmonton’s might 1-up that offer.

Are you crazy? Chiarelli only trades 1st round draft picks for unproven busts

 

[CBJx614]

There's also the question of how serious was JJ with his reported trade request?

Usually when a player let's his GM know that he wants to be traded, he's pretty serious. Jack only wants to be traded so that he can play in a top 4 role so he can get more minutes and more money in the off-season.

 

[The Zetterberg Era]

Usually when a player let's his GM know that he wants to be traded, he's pretty serious. Jack only wants to be traded so that he can play in a top 4 role so he can get more minutes and more money in the off-season.

Which given the sad knowledge of his financial state makes all the sense in the world.

I feel bad for JMFJ, I hope he gets maximum value out of his next contract and he has to do what is right for him and that is to get more exposure in a top 4 role.

 

[Martin Skoula]

The trade was probably Reimer, Polak, Spaling, Morin for two 2nd round picks, Stalock, Smith, Torres, and a conditional 4th. Or basically Reimer and Polak for two 2nds and a player that they really needed to move (Torres). It still wasn't a great trade for SJ but "Polak for two 2nds" is probably not the real trade nor is it a good baseline for what to expect.

Crazy idea but maybe the trade that actually happened in real life at the deadline is the real trade.

Why would we not keep the picks and trade Reimer to someone else for another 2nd if that's what he was apparently worth?

 

[Willy Stylez]

If that was the case he would already be traded.

 

[CrypTic]

Crazy idea but maybe the trade that actually happened in real life at the deadline is the real trade.

Why would we not keep the picks and trade Reimer to someone else for another 2nd if that's what he was apparently worth?

Because this allows both teams to spin a "meh" trade as a win on one of the trades.

If it was actually one trade done in two parts, you don't have both 2nds to keep so I don't understand your hypothetical.

 

[Martin Skoula]

Because this allows both teams to spin a "meh" trade as a win on one of the trades.

If it was actually one trade done in two parts, you don't have both 2nds to keep so I don't understand your hypothetical.

The moment the paperwork is signed on Polak + Spaling for 2 2nds + Torres or whatever the first deal was, what incentive does the Toronto GM have to carry out the rest of the deal?

Correct me if I'm wrong but you're saying that Polak is worth less than he returned and Reimer is worth more, right? Why not keep the inflated return from Polak, and sell off Reimer to the highest bidder instead? There's nothing the Sharks can legally do about it.

 

[CrypTic]

The moment the paperwork is signed on Polak + Spaling for 2 2nds + Torres or whatever the first deal was, what incentive does the Toronto GM have to carry out the rest of the deal?

Correct me if I'm wrong but you're saying that Polak is worth less than he returned and Reimer is worth more, right? Why not keep the inflated return from Polak, and sell off Reimer to the highest bidder instead? There's nothing the Sharks can legally do about it.

If Lamoriello did that, no other GM would trust him to keep his word. He'd have a hard time making trades. The markets for GMs are very limited. If you need to move a player, there are only a handful of GMs who may be interested. Same if you need to acquire a player. You don't want to cut off the few you have. If you do, you'll be paying more to acquire players (and won't have the selection) and you'll be getting less when you want to sell. That would be an extremely short-sighted move. It would only work for a GM who knew he was on his way out and who didn't want another GM (or similar) job.

 

[MSSLYNX]

Has Gudas done anything but get suspended since joining the Flyers?

A 1st for Coburn was fine.

Haha you sure missed the irony there!

 

[WhatWhat]

Based on absolutely nothing, I'm gonna say ... Dallas or St. Louis (cause Edmundson is out for a bit).

Edit: Whoops - didn't know the Blues didn't have their 1st.

Lindell - Klingberg
Hamhuis - Pateryn
Johnson - Johns
x: Honka
IR: Methot

Dunn - Pietrangelo
Bouwmeester - Parayko
Johnson - Bortuzzo
x: Gunnarsson
IR: Edmundson

We absolutely do not need to be spending a first on a guy that would be our 3rd LD. Methot getting healthy will be our D acquisition. If we are trading our first it will be for wing help

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Maybe they feel a dumbass of a GM like Montréal or Edmonton’s might 1-up that offer.

Do they have a late first?

 

[A Loyal Dog]

Do they have a late first?

They have a 1st, and I'm sure they're still delusional about making the playoffs, so

 

[Canadian Canuck]

DAMN let’s trade Edler if that’s the market value..

 

[Theo Von]

 

[sxvnert]

That's quite a price for a "glorified #6" eh Toronto fans?

No way Jarmo put that out there. GMs would never do that.

 

[Canuck86]

A first for JJ, ya you take that and run.

As for Canuck fan stating trade Edler, I agree but seems like he wont waive ever, maybe re visit that topic at next TDL, but it seems unlikely he will help the team out by moving