Confirmed with Link: McDonagh + Miller to Tampa Bay for Namestnikov + Howden + Hajek + 2018 1st + conditional 2019 1st

[SnowblindNYR]

Bobby Clarke wanted to pick Bobby Sanguinetti. That's why he forgot Claude Giroux's name.

It was a long time ago but I seem to remember the analysts saying that the Flyers wanted Sanguinetti. Am I remembering wrong?

 

[Thirty One]

It was a long time ago but I seem to remember the analysts saying that the Flyers wanted Sanguinetti. Am I remembering wrong?

I'm sure at some point someone said that the Flyers had interest in Sanguinetti or something similar, and that's how "Bobby Clarke forgot Giroux's name because they were about to pick Sanguinetti" became NYR lore. Just like how Boomer tweeting "Sami Vatanen" meant "The Ducks have offered Sami Vatanen to the Rangers in a 1-for-1 deal and the Rangers have rejected it."

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

I'm sure at some point someone said that the Flyers had interest in Sanguinetti or something similar, and that's how "Bobby Clarke forgot Giroux's name because they were about to pick Sanguinetti" became NYR lore. Just like how Boomer tweeting "Sami Vatanen" meant "The Ducks have offered Sami Vatanen to the Rangers in a 1-for-1 deal and the Rangers have rejected it."

I think sometime recently on Friedman’s podcast they told the Bobby Clarke story and that Sanguinetti thing is true, but they wanted some center (I forget who and I think ended up busting) even more than Sanguinetti, they were super in love with him, then he gets taken and Bobby Clarke gets pretty mad, then Sanguinetti was the next guy they wanted. He gets picked right before their picked and Bobby Clarke is furious, so they have to go up and make their pick and he hadn’t calmed down and forgot Giroux’s name because the two guys they were in love with went before they picked when they thought they’d both be there

 

[Hi ImHFNYR]

It's negotiating 101 to point out anything negative that can give you leverage to a better deal.

Yzerman also had more leverage in the negotiation because of the fact that he didn't absolutely need to make the deal, but the Rangers did.

McDonagh being injured only could have helped Yzerman in the negotiations because he's an asset that can't be used right now, and has been injured a majority of this season (hence why his play was so poor).

We don't know many details about the injury, but it's obviously something worthy enough that if he didn't have the proper time to heal, could be nagging even during playoff time.

We sold lower than what we wold have gotten 2 years ago but there's no reason to trade him 2 years ago so there is no reason to mention selling lower.

We did not sell lower than what he is worth now.

I disagree with emphasizing most of the things you did here because, to me, almost everything you said above applies much more neatly to a situation where we are ONLY negotiating with TB. What you're writing is framed almost as if it was an arbitrator's meeting where the player has no options so the one side brings up negatives to lower the value.

The NYR didn't need to make the deal with TB, you're not considering this enough. In this case it wasn't just TB, there were options and TB was arguing against those other options much moreso then they were arguing to lower the value of McD.

If McDonagh was 100% healthy, and playing at a high level, the ball would be in Gorton's court from a leverage perspective in what he wanted to demand. That could have very well been more than what we got.

I don't think our leverage was anywhere nearly as handicapped as you're implying based on what our return was

 

[JT Kreider]

This. I find it hardly unlikely that Tampa would trade their just received top preospect.

Maybe for a split second when I saw Miller was also going to Tampa in the trade I thought he was coming the other way. I'm sure others felt the same way and that led to a lot of initial disappointment when we saw the actual return

My ask for McDonagh was always Howden, Foote and Raddysh. Knowing now management's preference of Hajek to Foote, I guess what we ended up getting wasn't too far off.

Gorton better use the TB or Boston first to move up in the draft though if we don't get any lotto luck and are on the outside of the top 5 or so

 

[RangerBoy]

The Flyers wanted to take Trevor Lewis. Ron Hextall was part of the Flyers front office along with Dean Lombardi. They moved together to LA in 2006. The Kings took Lewis and the Flyers were pissed.

 

[Thirty One]

30 Thoughts: How do you manage bad luck? - Sportsnet.ca

20. Finally on Philadelphia, Doug MacLean told a great story about why Bob Clarke tripped up on Giroux’s name when the Flyers took him 22nd overall in 2006. According to MacLean, Philly was going to take Trevor Lewis. But the Kings took Lewis 17th, which annoyed Philadelphia, since Hextall had just left for California. Clarke was flustered.

Doug MacLean is the source on that one, but still.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

I'm sure at some point someone said that the Flyers had interest in Sanguinetti or something similar, and that's how "Bobby Clarke forgot Giroux's name because they were about to pick Sanguinetti" became NYR lore. Just like how Boomer tweeting "Sami Vatanen" meant "The Ducks have offered Sami Vatanen to the Rangers in a 1-for-1 deal and the Rangers have rejected it."

The two may not be correlated but the analysts did say that the Flyers wanted him and Bobby Clarke did stumble when calling Giroux's name.

 

[Hi ImHFNYR]

Knowing now management's preference of Hajek to Foote, I guess what we ended up getting wasn't too far off.

I'm side-eyeing this concession from management. I suspect it could be something they said so they don't look bad for failing to get a higher value player.

Either way, now that they've said it, Hajek better turn out better then Foote or they look like idiots.

 

[Hunter Gathers]

I think your first three words sum it up and I agree with them:

"Not in reality"

HF Rangers - We don't deal in mere reality.

 

[Edge]

I'm not convinced the Rangers liked Hajek more than Foote, so much as they insisted no deal would move forward without Hajek (knowing Foote was off the table.)

I think that's a pretty clear distinction to consider.

 

[ThirdEye]

Yeah I think I agree with you Edge, I just can't see the Rangers withholding for Hajek over Foote. Foote is by all accounts the better player with the bigger upside.

 

[Thirty One]

I'm side-eyeing this concession from management. I suspect it could be something they said so they don't look bad for failing to get a higher value player.

Either way, now that they've said it, Hajek better turn out better then Foote or they look like idiots.

It always screamed posturing coming from the team to me.

Here's what Brooks said the morning of the Brian Leetch trade:

"Though the Rangers targeted highly-touted defenseman Carlo Colaiacovo as part of the package for Leetch, it did not appear the Maple Leafs were willing to part with the youngster, and instead were offering a package of lesser prospects and draft picks."

And what he said after the trade was made:
"we’re told the Blueshirts didn’t want young Toronto defense prospect Carlo Colaiacovo, the popular flavor of the month, but rather targeted far less sexy Maxim Kondratiev, who has played with Fedor Tyutin"

I'm not saying, I'm just saying...

 

[Edge]

It always screamed posturing coming from the team to me.

Here's what Brooks said the morning of the Brian Leetch trade:

"Though the Rangers targeted highly-touted defenseman Carlo Colaiacovo as part of the package for Leetch, it did not appear the Maple Leafs were willing to part with the youngster, and instead were offering a package of lesser prospects and draft picks."

And what he said after the trade was made:
"we’re told the Blueshirts didn’t want young Toronto defense prospect Carlo Colaiacovo, the popular flavor of the month, but rather targeted far less sexy Maxim Kondratiev, who has played with Fedor Tyutin"

I'm not saying, I'm just saying...

Obviously Colaiacovo had a better career than Kondratiev, but I can't say I was ever a huge fan of the former. I just never saw the hype and the status he was getting at the time. He was one of those who seemed to be perpetually be on top prospect lists year-after-year.

 

[Kocur Dill]

Is the 2019 pick lottery protected?

 

[Thirty One]

Is the 2019 pick lottery protected?

I don't think we've heard anything about this, but I'd be very surprised.

 

[JayMan82]

Is the 2019 pick lottery protected?

I believe if it’s a top 10, it’s deferred till 2020

 

[Irishguy42]

Is the 2019 pick lottery protected?

Not that I have seen, no.

It's just a 2019 2nd that turns into a 2019 1st if they win the Cup this season or next.

 

[Krams]

I believe if it’s a top 10, it’s deferred till 2020

Where did you hear this?

 

[Kupo]

Carlo Colaiacovo as part of the package for Leetch, it did not appear the Maple Leafs were willing to part with the younger

Ahhh. The great Carlo Covaiacovo.

 

[Irishguy42]

Best gif in NHL history

 

[Thirty One]

Best gif in NHL history

Why he was such a sought-after prospect. Very gifable.

 

[JayMan82]

Where did you hear this?

I heard this on one of the Canadian feeds at trade deadline, but I have yet to find it in text format. Hopefully that isn't the case!

 

[Thirty One]

I heard this on one of the Canadian feeds at trade deadline, but I have yet to find it in text format. Hopefully that isn't the case!

Never trust Canadians.

 

[Larrybiv]

You say "tell ya what, keep Foote and Ill take Hajek and a 2nd"

This had me rolling. Pretty smart answer.