Mcdavids or Crosby, first 3 seasons

Who’s first 3 seasons we’re more impressive


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OilCanada92

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Connor is going to absolutely kill Crosby in this kind of comparison eventually.

But its an ignorant comparison:
06-07 Sid won with 120 points
07-08 Ovie won with 112 points. Sid was Injured, on a same pace basically than Ovie.
08-09 Malkin won 113 points. Sid was 3rd with 103 points,
09-10 H. Sedin won with 112 points. Sid was 2nd with 109 points (Ovie would have won if not injured).
13-14 Sid Won.
14-15 Sid was 3rd in points, but yeah, he should have won this to be honest.
15-16 Sid was 3rd in points, Kane had a career year 106points, underwhelming season for Sid.
16-17 2nd in points.
17-18 top10ish finish.

I dont think Connor will face same kind of competition (Geno, Ovie.. Sedin+Kane playing out of their minds in a single season)
Yeah. There's something to be said for always being in the hunt for the Art Ross year after year even if he didn't win it. A lot of guys come and go but Crosby is always right there.

It's kinda like how Weber doesn't have a Norris but he's still consider one of the best Dmen of his time.
 

canucks4ever

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The eye test tells me Connor is better than Sid, he's a much better even strength scorer. Would not be shocked if he ends up with 7 art rosses and 5 harts.
 

GreatGonzo

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Who said nothing but PP is valuable? Who said even strength doesn't matter? Who Said McDavid isn't amazing? None of the points you raised is something that I have claimed so good job at wasting your time making up nonsense.

14.3% PP has still nothing to do with time or opportunities but you're just too dumb to argue with. I gave you plenty of examples of teams that don't have any better players but are performing better on the PP and you ignored to response to that.

Whether or not you chose to think so, McDavid is supposed to lead the PP. However you can't discuss this without being super insecure so we're done. You are ignored.
Right, it has NOTHING to do with the lack of time and opportunities or the team around him, it’s all McDavids fault, easy as that :laugh:

Ok? What’s your point though? What is significant about Vancouver and NJ? Obviously they are well coached and have a better system than the Oilers, why that suddenly falls back again on McDavid is beyond me....

By the way...
NJ
Hall: 37
Butcher: 23
Palmieri: 23
Bratt: 12
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Goals: 31
Assists
Vancouver
D. Sedin: 23
Boeser: 23
H. Sedin: 17
Elder: 15

Edmonton
McDavid: 19
Draisaitl: 10
RNH: 8
Lucic: 6
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Goals: 17
Assists: 27
Points: 44
Leader: McDavid: 5 goals/14 Assists

Also
McDavid: 241:50- 19 points
H. Sedin: 234:03- 17 points
D. Sedin: 230:30- 23 points
Hall: 221:00- 37 points
Draisaitl: 219:24- 10 points
Butcher: 213:31- 23 points
Elder: 193:28- 15 points
Boeser: 181:16- 23 points
Lucic: 174:54- 6 points
Palmieri: 172:06- 23 points
Bratt: 150:49- 12 points
RNH: 120:12- 8 points
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Hall NJ: 37
D. Sedin VAN: 23
Butcher NJ: 23
Boeser VAN: 23
Palmieri NJ: 23
McDavid EDM: 19
H. Sedin VAN: 17
Elder VAN: 15
Bratt NJ: 12
Draisaitl EDM: 10
RNH EDM: 8
Lucic EDM: 6

Also for assists:
Hall NJ: 24
H. Sedin VAN: 17
Butcher VAN: 20
D. Sedin VAN: 14
McDavid EDM: 14
Elder VAN: 14
Boeser VAN: 13
Palmieri NJ12
Bratt NJ: 8
Draisaitl EDM: 5
Lucic EDM: 4
RNH EDM: 4


4 players from NJs and Vans top PP players almost have more points than the best 3/4 of Edmonton’s PP combined...hard to produce or have a great PP when 3 of your best producers combine for 24 points while their best has 19.

All McDavids fault!
 
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HenrikW

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Right, it has NOTHING to do with the lack of time and opportunities or the team around him, it’s all McDavids fault, easy as that :laugh:

Ok? What’s your point though? What is significant about Vancouver and NJ? Obviously they are well coached and have a better system than the Oilers, why that suddenly falls back again on McDavid is beyond me....

By the way...
NJ
Hall: 37
Butcher: 23
Palmieri: 23
Bratt: 12

Vancouver
D. Sedin: 23
Boeser: 23
H. Sedin: 17
Elder: 15

Edmonton
McDavid: 19
Draisaitl: 10
RNH: 8
Lucic: 6

Also
McDavid: 241:50- 19 points
H. Sedin: 234:03- 17 points
D. Sedin: 230:30- 23 points
Hall: 221:00- 37 points
Draisaitl: 219:24- 10 points
Butcher: 213:31- 23 points
Elder: 193:28- 15 points
Boeser: 181:16- 23 points
Lucic: 174:54- 6 points
Palmieri: 172:06- 23 points
Bratt: 150:49- 12 points
RNH: 120:12- 8 points
—————
Hall NJ: 37
D. Sedin VAN: 23
Butcher NJ: 23
Boeser VAN: 23
Palmieri NJ: 23
McDavid EDM: 19
H. Sedin VAN: 17
Elder VAN: 15
Bratt NJ: 12
Draisaitl EDM: 10
RNH EDM: 8
Lucic EDM: 6



4 players from NJs and Vans top PP players almost have more points than the best 3/4 of Edmonton’s PP combined...hard to produce or have a great PP when 3 of your best producers combine for 24 points while their best has 19.

All McDavids fault!

You are still being a baby. There is a massive difference between "All McDavids fault" to "should shoulder some responsability here, coupled with coaching, systems and slumps".
 

GreatGonzo

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You are still being a baby. There is a massive difference between "All McDavids fault" to "should shoulder some responsability here, coupled with coaching, systems and slumps".
Why should he alone shoulder the responsibility when he’s their best player on the PP?
 

GlitchMarner

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Jul 21, 2017
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Their fourth seasons seem quite similar. If McDavid finishes the year at his pace, I guess I'd give him the regular season edge when comparing those seasons. Crosby obviously had that big playoff run he won't be able to match playing for the Oilers, though.
 

Nathaniel

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Their fourth seasons seem quite similar. If McDavid finishes the year at his pace, I guess I'd give him the regular season edge when comparing those seasons. Crosby obviously had that big playoff run he won't be able to match playing for the Oilers, though.
I’m not even sure about that. Crosby finished third directly behind peak malkin and Ovechkin. But like you said regardless it will be Crosby due to 15/31 playoff run
 

Regal

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I’m not even sure about that. Crosby finished third directly behind peak malkin and Ovechkin. But like you said regardless it will be Crosby due to 15/31 playoff run

Kucherov is putting up a better Art Ross year than either of them though
 

Regal

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That doesn’t always mean better

I know. But it seemed like you were suggesting that Crosby might be better than McDavid despite finishing 3rd because he finished 3rd behind Ovechkin and Malkin, which is obviously steep competition. But Kucherov has been better competition strictly on a point production basis, so Crosby would at best be 2nd this year as well. Now if you just meant that Crosby's 3rd is not necessarily worse than McDavid's 2nd because he had 2 players having ridiculous years in front of him instead of just 1, then that makes sense. But I think McDavid's points relative to the league and to other top scorers is still better, though I haven't looked at the numbers closely yet.
 

Nathaniel

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I know. But it seemed like you were suggesting that Crosby might be better than McDavid despite finishing 3rd because he finished 3rd behind Ovechkin and Malkin, which is obviously steep competition. But Kucherov has been better competition strictly on a point production basis, so Crosby would at best be 2nd this year as well. Now if you just meant that Crosby's 3rd is not necessarily worse than McDavid's 2nd because he had 2 players having ridiculous years in front of him instead of just 1, then that makes sense. But I think McDavid's points relative to the league and to other top scorers is still better, though I haven't looked at the numbers closely yet.
The second is what I meant and I’m still not sure if Mcdavid has reached a peak malkin and Ovechkin form. Probably not.
The last time there was a season this high in scoring a 19 year old Crosby put up 120. If a 23 year old Crosby was playing today. No doubt he’d be looking at 150
 

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