Halla
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Anyone who would take the playmaking ppg 24 year old center over a scoring ppg 20 year old center is either
a) jets fan
b) mcdavid fan
a) jets fan
b) mcdavid fan
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Halla
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and he also gets an extra minute per game on the PP..we can't forget about that can we?
CBC had a stat were Matthews was 153rd in the league in pp time/game.
that is gonna go through the roof with bozak gone next year
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Dont think it says much that Matthews loses PP time to Bozak. More proof Babcock is overrated.
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You can spin the narrative to justify getting your guy the W however you want but the poll was intended to ask who is better right now as in who would you take Jan-June 2018. No one in their right mind is arguing that Sheif has a better long term projection. And if you do want to make it about who you'd take if it was an open draft of the 24 year old playmaker vs the scoring ppg 20 year old as you put it then you also have to factor in that the 24 year old will be making 6m per year for the next 6 years vs the 12m the 20 year old is going to be getting and ask yourself if the 10 pts a season you can project Matthews to beat Sheif out by under the most bullish of scenarios is worth 6 million dollars per
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It's not that weird. He gets way less pp time and on a way less stacked pp unit. It would be weird if scheifele didn't have better pp results
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Scheifele is as much of a goalscorer as Matthews. He's just doesn't shoot nearly as much. That can be a positive, as Scheifele has contributed more to team scoring over the past 2 seasons.
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Yeah and Matthews is as much of a playmaker as Scheifele, he just doesn't pass as much
In Matthews defense he doesn’t have awesome options to pass to, so has to take matters in his own hand so. He’d probably prefer to set up plays more, but Hyman is Hyman and Nylander can’t score.
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I'm not sure if that logically follows. It's true that Scheifele creates more offense, though
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Maybe because at this moment in time he is better? Though he is hurt now so I have no doubt Matthews will overtake him.
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neither of them logically follow. Matthews is easily the better goal scorer, and part of that is because he shoots more. The reverse is also true regarding playmaking
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Not really. I'm looking at shots recorded. When Scheifele takes a shot, he scores at a similar rate to Matthews. Scheifele has elite goal scoring ability
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As a Jet fan I agree with this totally but Matthews has proven he can score more and is the better scorer.
That said Scheif has so far been the better point producer so has been the better player but as Matthews progresses I do expect that to change.
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When Scheifele takes a shot, he scores at a better rate than Ovechkin. I guess it's only logical to say he's more of a goalscorer than Ovi.
Consider that you're saying Scheifele is as much of a goalscorer as a guy with a 0.51 goals per game for his career. Matthews still has the higher shooting percentage on a much higher volume of shots.
There are arguments for Scheifele but goal scoring is definitely not one of them.
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Haha, someone actually tried using this horribly flawed logic to prove a point. This is hiliarous. Thanks for this.
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I don’t see any logical explanation for saying Schiefle is “clearly” better than Matthews. Matthews scores more, with inferior line mates and less PP time.
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In general, I see how it's useful to look at s% to predict regression. Given the quality Scheifele's shot, I'm curious how s% might regress with a much higher volume of shots. I'm not sure if there are metrics to address this?
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