Confirmed with Link: Martin Necas Signs ELC

[A Star is Burns]

Seems like you never hear about getting a guy rated exactly where you had him other than perhaps the top few spots in the draft. Every team always gets a guy they had rated super high and that they didn't expect to last that long and all that jazz.

 

[NotOpie]

Seems like you never hear about getting a guy rated exactly where you had him other than perhaps the top few spots in the draft. Every team always gets a guy they had rated super high and that they didn't expect to last that long and all that jazz.

I do a personal rating thing where I aggregate 15 or 20 different ratings and then tweak it a little based on a few of the guys I've seen (video). IIRC, Necas ended up at like 7 or 8. A number of services had him ranked in the top 10, but really didn't have a lot of video or even narrative about him. He was really a bit of a mystery. With our upgraded European scouting, we probably saw him a bit more than some.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Here's where he was ranked by the various pre-draft rankings.

McKenzie: 11
Pronmann: 16
Kennedy (THN): 11
Hockey Prospect: 9
Button: 7
Dobber: 10
ISS: 13
McKeen: 12
Marek (Sportsnet): 10

10-13 seems about the consensus for most rankings and he went #12.

Canes probably did have him a bit higher, but I never read too much into post draft proclamations that they had a player as ranked much higher on their board. Once their draft position is known, they are probably going to spend more time focusing on guys that will likely be around when they pick.

 

[geehaad]

Pronmann: 16

Not that this necessarily a valid data point, but I become less and less impressed with Pronman as I come to know more of the way he views the world.

And Hank "I've Seen Necas And He Sucks" Clerval. Subscription CANCELED.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Not that this necessarily a valid data point, but I become less and less impressed with Pronman as I come to know more of the way he views the world.

Guys like Pronman and Button seem to like to have more extreme views on guys. Can't tell if I like that, because they just don't accept the general consensus and want to form their own view, or hate that, because it seems sometimes they are just trying to be different for the sake of being different.

And Hank "I've Seen Necas And He Sucks" Clerval. Subscription CANCELED.

 

[Navin R Slavin]

Guys like Pronman and Button seem to like to have more extreme views on guys. Can't tell if I like that, because they just don't accept the general consensus and want to form their own view, or hate that, because it seems sometimes they are just trying to be different for the sake of being different.

Beware the sample size of one game.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Beware the sample size of one game.

to put it into perspective, that small sample size is infinitely more than probably 90% of us "experts" on HF have seen him play.

 

[NotOpie]

Here's where he was ranked by the various pre-draft rankings.

McKenzie: 11
Pronmann: 16
Kennedy (THN): 11
Hockey Prospect: 9
Button: 7
Dobber: 10
ISS: 13
McKeen: 12
Marek (Sportsnet): 10

10-13 seems about the consensus for most rankings and he went #12.

Canes probably did have him a bit higher, but I never read too much into post draft proclamations that they had a player as ranked much higher on their board. Once their draft position is known, they are probably going to spend more time focusing on guys that will likely be around when they pick.

Went back and looked at my spreadsheet (not sure if it was all final rankings but pretty close) and I ended up w/an average of 8.15 rank. Now some I know were not final rankings as I think I did this either in April or May. Still, not a lot of difference between 8 and 10.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Yeah, I didn't mean that as a poke you your 8 rank NotOpie.

Was just more for reference. 4th OA seems out of the norm though, but honestly, this draft was supposed to be one that didn't have high end, but had pretty even talent in that range so it could be the case. Only time will tell and what I've seen from him so far has me optimistic about him.

 

[CandyCanes]

Yeah, I didn't mean that as a poke you your 8 rank NotOpie.

Oooh Boom Boom poked Not Opie's rankinggggg, I'm telllingggggg

 

[NotOpie]

Yeah, I didn't mean that as a poke you your 8 rank NotOpie.

Was just more for reference. 4th OA seems out of the norm though, but honestly, this draft was supposed to be one that didn't have high end, but had pretty even talent in that range so it could be the case. Only time will tell and what I've seen from him so far has me optimistic about him.

Didn't take any offense BBA....I suffer from the need to over-explain from time to time.

My point was that I believe Necas in particular was a guy that was sort of all over the map leading up to the draft, especially as the draft got closer and those ratings tended to move a lot.

 

[neelynugs]

seems like necas is pushing hard for a roster spot. anyone he reminds you of? only saw a few videos of him, but when reading about his skill set it reminded me of pastrnak.

 

[DaveG]

Guy he reminds me of the most is Giroux honestly. Of course, Necas already has about 3-4 inches on him and will likely have about 20-25lbs on him when he fills out.

 

[Wooren]

Finally

 

[DaveG]

Good. Liked Martin getting his first game in and getting a feel for the NHL game, but man did it feel like he was just being wasted night after night in the box. Hopefully he goes back, kicks some ass on Brno, and bulks up about 15 lbs in the offseason when he comes back and is ready to take over for the good doctor.

 

[Novacane]

If this was the plan from the beginning, it was a really shitty plan. If things changed along the way, then I guess it is what it is. Just a lot of wasted time

 

[Navin R Slavin]

They felt like he earned a shot at seeing the real NHL for a couple of weeks. He got practice time and game time at full NHL speed. Not a waste at all.

 

[geehaad]

Not one person in this forum is qualified to know whether his time with the team was wasted or not. Simply talking out of your ass.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Isn't talking out of our ass what the vast majority of our post are though since none of us are in the locker room, at practices or get much, if any insight behind the scenes.

 

[Novacane]

Not one person in this forum is qualified to know whether his time with the team was wasted or not. Simply talking out of your ass.

Was he really learning all that much? What more could have been taught that hadn’t already been in prospect camp, preseason camp, preseason games, lead into season practice, the week+ before his first game. Why not just send him back after Edmonton?

Don’t you want your first round pick playing hockey games and not missing a month of the season?

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

I was strongly of the position that he should have been back in Brno a while back if that was the long term plan, but after hearing a number of posters out, I can see both sides of it. One poster used the NCAA model as an example where practice and training is a much bigger component than playing games. So I assume these few weeks were spent teaching him the right things to do to prepare himself long term for the NHL (Diet, training, what things to work on, etc...) so I see some merit in keeping him around a bit longer. I also see the merit in getting him with his team earlier so he isn't playing catch-up and being out of sync with his team so it will aid in his development by getting more quality playing time back there.

 

[Novacane]

I was strongly of the position that he should have been back in Brno a while back if that was the long term plan, but after hearing a number of posters out, I can see both sides of it. One poster used the NCAA model as an example where practice and training is a much bigger component than playing games. So I assume these few weeks were spent teaching him the right things to do to prepare himself long term for the NHL (Diet, training, what things to work on, etc...) so I see some merit in keeping him around a bit longer. I also see the merit in getting him with his team earlier so he isn't playing catch-up and being out of sync with his team so it will aid in his development by getting more quality playing time back there.

I was one of the people who argued against you and advocated keeping him here. I think Kuokkanen changed the plan a bit for him. I can’t fault that. But the season’s been going for three weeks now plus the time between camp and the season. IF the plan was to give him one game, I’m not entirely sure why it wasn’t earlier

Now he has to go back and adjust to his team and regain the trust of those coaches.

 

[Sens1Canes2]

Everything I've ever heard (including a couple of personal NHL relationships) is that you never harm a player's development by being exposed to the best league in the world, on AND off the ice. Sure, he only played one (?) game...but going on the road trip, seeing the rest of the roster's work habits, game prep, pre- and post-game attitudes....that can't be a bad thing.

The most important thing isn't how it affects Necas' season in the Czech Republic; it's to ensure there are no surprises when he comes back over here. When that happens, Necas will be expected to make the team. That alone will be enough on his plate; for there to be no surprises, that is huge.

 

[geehaad]

Was he really learning all that much? What more could have been taught that hadn’t already been in prospect camp, preseason camp, preseason games, lead into season practice, the week+ before his first game. Why not just send him back after Edmonton?

Don’t you want your first round pick playing hockey games and not missing a month of the season?

Questions that none of us know the answer to, so to make statements as if you do is silly.

 

[Vagrant]

I just don't like sending a message of failure to your first round pick and sending him rusty back to his home country's league to catch up and get up to game speed.