Marc Bergevin: Real Madrid ne font pas les séries ou va pas au Mondial Edition

[BLONG7]

fourth win in the last 5 years for RM. it is sad to see how this clown compares Habs&RM or Alzner&Chara and doesn't get destroyed for that by the journos.

Our clown GM says some crazy, crazy stuff, and never seems to get called out, by the media? Why?

 

[OneSharpMarble]

Gainey is better than MB and gaineys biggest issues were he was too patient and his end. Both of which I addressed.

Big whoop, just because he is better than someone else that shouldn't be anywhere near a professional team doesn't make him "legit" like you said earlier. He was still a bottom tier GM in his day that regularly got embarrassed at the trade table. Yeah I remember his "patience" and it was closer to ineptitude but people call rich crazy people "eccentric" so however you want to dress it up I guess. When you sit on your hands all season and watch your team fall apart while your star players age out of their primes it doesn't mean you are patient, it means you're a poor excuse for a GM.

Gainey is still best 3 of last 3. My point remains. He did good but could never close on last piece we needed, not unlike MB.

I’d want a guy who can have that leadership, knowledge, vision but also be more aggressive to address the lack of execution Gainey and others had.

Example: 2 decades of no 1st line C, a core building block. I’d rather a GM isn’t afraid to overpay a little to overcome status quo.

He didn't "do good", every once in a while one of his meandering trades worked out in our favor and we did slightly better for it. If it wasn't for Kovalev he would have accomplished so little people wouldn't even know how to pump his tires. Someone was even giving him credit for drafting! lmao

 

[LyricalLyricist]

Big whoop, just because he is better than someone else that shouldn't be anywhere near a professional team doesn't make him "legit" like you said earlier. He was still a bottom tier GM in his day that regularly got embarrassed at the trade table. Yeah I remember his "patience" and it was closer to ineptitude but people call rich crazy people "eccentric" so however you want to dress it up I guess. When you sit on your hands all season and watch your team fall apart while your star players age out of their primes it doesn't mean you are patient, it means you're a poor excuse for a GM.



He didn't "do good", every once in a while one of his meandering trades worked out in our favor and we did slightly better for it. If it wasn't for Kovalev he would have accomplished so little people wouldn't even know how to pump his tires. Someone was even giving him credit for drafting! lmao

So if you don't give a GM credit for drafting then our last of drafting success is not on MB's hands today?

Gainey is the GM who got much more competent Assistant GMs and AHL head coaches than our current GM.

We had several last round picks like Sergei Kostitsyn, Halak, Streit, etc... work out for us during that span. Maybe it's drafting, maybe it's development but the drafting team increased but the results didn't.

 

[dinodebino]

So if you don't give a GM credit for drafting then our last of drafting success is not on MB's hands today?

Gainey is the GM who got much more competent Assistant GMs and AHL head coaches than our current GM.

We had several last round picks like Sergei Kostitsyn, Halak, Streit, etc... work out for us during that span. Maybe it's drafting, maybe it's development but the drafting team increased but the results didn't.

TBH, Gainey didn't know any of the prospects. It is known that for Kovalev, he let NY pick whoever they wanted. They took Balej.

This coming from people inside the Bell Centre, Mr. Gainey wasn't the hardest working man in hockey, let's just say that. He relied way too much on others...like Gauthier.

 

[LyricalLyricist]

TBH, Gainey didn't know any of the prospects. It is known that for Kovalev, he let NY pick whoever they wanted. They took Balej.

This coming from people inside the Bell Centre, Mr. Gainey wasn't the hardest working man in hockey, let's just say that. He relied way too much on others...like Gauthier.

That trade is one example.

I do think a good GM finds good people for different roles.

If MB found the perfect scouting team and he knew f*** all about the draft prospects would it matter? nope...because you have good people in place.

Gainey did that better than MB I think because we've expanded scouting team, expanded development team, etc... but are getting less results.

 

[nhlfan9191]

Our clown GM says some crazy, crazy stuff, and never seems to get called out, by the media? Why?

They’re scared of something fans don’t see. All part of the politics that’s gone from terrible to atrocious since Molson’s taken over.

 

[BLONG7]

TBH, Gainey didn't know any of the prospects. It is known that for Kovalev, he let NY pick whoever they wanted. They took Balej.

This coming from people inside the Bell Centre, Mr. Gainey wasn't the hardest working man in hockey, let's just say that. He relied way too much on others...like Gauthier.

Good managers, rely on good staff...that's how it should be.................clown GM's hire their buddies...

 

[Kriss E]

TBH, Gainey didn't know any of the prospects. It is known that for Kovalev, he let NY pick whoever they wanted. They took Balej.

This coming from people inside the Bell Centre, Mr. Gainey wasn't the hardest working man in hockey, let's just say that. He relied way too much on others...like Gauthier.

Micro management is a loser's game.
GM's priority is to hire highly competent staff members. You rely on that staffs as they are all very solid specialists. The directors of each department should give you weekly reports.
The GM should give them directives and guide them. You can't expect a GM to know much about 17-20 yo prospects from all over the league.

Nothing wrong with relying on others, the problem is if those guys are bad at their job.

 

[Price is Wright]

That isn't any better. If he wanted no part in re-signing them, then he should have traded them.

The reports say that he was looking to keep everyone and try again in 2010 with a free agent add or two (Havlat was a target) but after firing Carbonneau and being in the locker as coach, he realized he was wrong on what team he had. He still made offers to Komisarek and Kovalev but didn't try hard to keep them. There was also no way Higgins was sticking around. There are some who believe he sort of tanked against Boston on purpose with playing Laraque on the PP but I wouldn't go that far. I think he was just desperate and throwing everything at the wall.

But 2009 was supposed to be set up as an all in team but Gainey didn't realize until it was too late that they weren't the team he thought they were.

 

[peate]

On the first Real Madrid goal, the Liverpool keeper was just like Price giving the puck to the Leafs player on that last goal, final game of the season. He was also weak on Bale's second goal. The bicycle kick was a thing of beauty though. A Brit beating another Brit Club.

 

[Galactico]

fourth win in the last 5 years for RM. it is sad to see how this clown compares Habs&RM or Alzner&Chara and doesn't get destroyed for that by the journos.

Wait, did Bergevin really said something like Real Madrid “missed the playoffs” as the thread title implies? I thought it was a joke. Serious question.

 

[ArtPeur]

Wait, did Bergevin really said something like Real Madrid “missed the playoffs” as the thread title implies? I thought it was a joke. Serious question.

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/posts/144328633/

It wasn't a joke

another meme worthy quote from Bergevin

 

[Per Sjoblom]

On the first Real Madrid goal, the Liverpool keeper was just like Price giving the puck to the Leafs player on that last goal, final game of the season. He was also weak on Bale's second goal. The bicycle kick was a thing of beauty though. A Brit beating another Brit Club.

He apologized for those 2 goals and he also got death threats. I wonder if the latter came from bookies?

 

[LaP]

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/posts/144328633/

It wasn't a joke

another meme worthy quote from Bergevin

I don't know football so i don't know what's wrong with this quote but i guess if i knew it would be funny as hell cause his best quotes all are.

 

[LaP]

He was talking about foot speed. How a few years ago, Chara looked too old and slow for the league and he ended up turning it around and found a way to be useful. He's basically saying that even if Alzner is slow by today's standards, he can find ways to make himself useful even if he is lacking foot speed.

Did he? Every time i watch the Bruins Chara totally looks like someone who lost a step maybe even two. But he was so good in his prime (Alzner was not) that he can still do relatively well in the regular season despite that lost in mobility. In the playoffs though every time i watched him since that scf final against Chicago (5 years ago) he looked like a shade of his past self in his defensive zone.

I mean Alzner was barely a top 4 in his prime. If he loses a step he's a 3rd pairing guy. If he loses two he's out of the league (probably rescued by a dinosaur for a season or two before his inevitable fate).

Chara even with two steps lost can still hold himself because he was 10 times the player Alzner was.

 

[MaxDummy]

Did he? Every time i watch the Bruins Chara totally looks like someone who lost a step maybe even two. But he was so good in his prime (Alzner was not) that he can still do relatively well in the regular season despite that lost in mobility. In the playoffs though every time i watched him since that scf final against Chicago (5 years ago) he looked like a shade of his past self in his defensive zone.

I mean Alzner was barely a top 4 in his prime. If he loses a step he's a 3rd pairing guy. If he loses two he's out of the league (probably rescued by a dinosaur for a season or two before his inevitable fate).

Chara even with two steps lost can still hold himself because he was 10 times the player Alzner was.

Alzner is closer to Gorges than Chara, and we all saw what happened when Gorges ''lost a step''..

 

[MaxDummy]

I don't know football so i don't know what's wrong with this quote

MB told as an excuse that even a mythical club like the Real Madrid can ''Miss the playoffs''

They just won their 4th championship in 5 years Completely comparable to our Habs

 

[LaP]

MB told as an excuse that even a mythical club like the Real Madrid can ''Miss the playoffs''

They just won their 4th championship in 5 years Completely comparable to our Habs

okay that's kind of fail

 

[DAChampion]

The mismanagement of young talent during the Bergevin administration has been absolutely awful.

Eller, Galchenyuk, Subban, Gallagher, Leblanc, Tinordi, McCarron, etc, not a single young player has been handled in a satisfactory manner. For example, Gallagher was made to take the punishing role of screening the goalie om several years of Habs' power plays, even though he's a small player.

I look forward to a new era, where these morons have less control, and young players are given permission to properly develop.

 

[koyvoo]

Bergevin should try to convince Lebron James to learn how to skate.

 

[Cobra Commander]

Our clown GM says some crazy, crazy stuff, and never seems to get called out, by the media? Why?

Because he is French and they are protecting him.

 

[CristianoRonaldo]

On the first Real Madrid goal, the Liverpool keeper was just like Price giving the puck to the Leafs player on that last goal, final game of the season. He was also weak on Bale's second goal. The bicycle kick was a thing of beauty though. A Brit beating another Brit Club.

Liverpool made it to the final with Lovren and Karius and that's incredible.

 

[OneSharpMarble]

So if you don't give a GM credit for drafting then our last of drafting success is not on MB's hands today?

Gainey is the GM who got much more competent Assistant GMs and AHL head coaches than our current GM.

We had several last round picks like Sergei Kostitsyn, Halak, Streit, etc... work out for us during that span. Maybe it's drafting, maybe it's development but the drafting team increased but the results didn't.

Yeah every team in the league generally has some late round picks that work out and no why would I give MB credit for drafting unless it is well known he went against his scouts advice? Gainey was GM for 7 years and THAT is the best thing you can credit him with, he hired Timmins? This shouldn't surprise me, the expectations for this franchise are so pathetically low you might as well look at the Habs like they're a fresh expansion team every year. "He can't win a trade to save his life but he can recognize people that might actually be able to do their jobs."

Like I said, he was a bottom tier GM who played the fanbase by saying as little as possible.

 

[LyricalLyricist]

Yeah every team in the league generally has some late round picks that work out and no why would I give MB credit for drafting unless it is well known he went against his scouts advice? Gainey was GM for 7 years and THAT is the best thing you can credit him with, he hired Timmins? This shouldn't surprise me, the expectations for this franchise are so pathetically low you might as well look at the Habs like they're a fresh expansion team every year. "He can't win a trade to save his life but he can recognize people that might actually be able to do their jobs."

Like I said, he was a bottom tier GM who played the fanbase by saying as little as possible.

All this confuses me given your obsession with Gauthier at the time.

 

[OneSharpMarble]

All this confuses me given your obsession with Gauthier at the time.

When in doubt change the subject, it's cool. I liked Gauthiers trades, you remember what those are right? Those things you hope your GM can pull off once in a blue moon without whining about having to do their job. If they are done right you get something like a 35goal scorer, if done wrong you get to start a new "5 year plan".