DarkHorse
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- Jul 15, 2003
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Just heard that Moe Mantha may have left USA Hockey. Anyone hear anything on this?
Boomhower said:Wow, is this for real, he took the job with Saginaw?
If I were as rich as this guy is a hypocrite, I'd be a multi-millionaire.
For years this guy has been preaching against Americans leaving to play in the OHL, but he bails himself....what a piece of work!
It is true, Link
He accepted an INTERIM position, didn't take much for him to jump ship.
VOB said:No real surprise hear folks. Mantha took a page out of Jeff Jackson's handbook. Rip the OHL in public while have a burning secret desire to coach in the OHL.
The NTDP is becoming a first class joke!
Rabid Ranger said:I wouldn't go that far. The program clearly has some problems, but there's no denying that it has produced some top quality talent and has had success at the international level. I'll be interested to see where the NTDP goes from here.
Juan said:Yes, the U.S. won the World U-18 two years ago - but its key players (Parise, Hirsch and O'Sullivan) were ringers who weren't even in the program. And last year, the U.S. finished out of the medals in a tournament won by a bunch of Canadian CHLers who didn't make the playoffs, and were thrown togther a week before the tournament.
Funkymoses said:The latter team was not the NDTP team but another team also thrown together a week before the tournament, and while a couple of guys on the U18 team that won gold were ringers, the vast majority of the team were NDTP guys.
Mantha leaving is good. VOB, you're an idiot--the US hasn't had wild success at the international level but it's better than before, and the NDTP attracts a lot of extremely talented kids, all of whom end up at DI colleges and most of whom get drafted, some very high. It's not perfect, but I think its record speaks well.
Juan said:I don't know if we are in agreement or not.
The U.S. team that won gold two years ago was the NTDP team that played together all year. All the NTDP players who were healthy were on the team, and it was coached by the NTDP coaches. The team is identified in all USA Hockey materials and website as the U-18 team from the NTDP. However, the fact is they would NOT have won without taking ringers from prep school and the CHL.
Again, for the millions being spent, I don't think its record speaks well at all. No WJC medals is the most glaring. And like I said before, I think the vast majority of NDTP kids who go to D1 colleges and get drafted would have had that anyways, without the program, had they gone to the USHL or CHL.
Funkymoses said:It's impossible to guess whether the NDTP is developing the kids they have better than the USHL or CHL would. This is the flip side of the argument often heard from CHL partisans that the CHL is way better at development because they have more draft picks. I guess my point in bringing up the scholarships and draft picks is to point out that, development aside, there's a lot of talent in the program. So either it's prestigous enough to attract it or excellent at developing it.
I could easily make the statement that the US U-18 gold medal team wouldn't have won that tournament as a thrown-together bunch of players. It's hard to tell.
The reason the NDTP was originally formed was to combat a talent deficit. The USA just doesn't have as many talented hockey players as Russia or Canada--that's not changing and I don't think it's fair to blame the NDTP for that.
The program would be a joke if it was filled with mediocre prospects and basically every top-end US guy chose some other route. Some do, no doubt, but there's obviously some draw to the program.
Ah, anyway. The program needs a prestigous coach. Someone from the college ranks. It needs to find someone loyal to it. It could do a better job of keeping top talent. But I'd give it a passing grade.
Funkymoses said:The latter team was not the NDTP team but another team also thrown together a week before the tournament, and while a couple of guys on the U18 team that won gold were ringers, the vast majority of the team were NDTP guys.
Mantha leaving is good. VOB, you're an idiot--the US hasn't had wild success at the international level but it's better than before, and the NDTP attracts a lot of extremely talented kids, all of whom end up at DI colleges and most of whom get drafted, some very high. It's not perfect, but I think its record speaks well.