Discussion in 'International Tournaments' started by Eagle Eye Cherry, Oct 16, 2006.
Brad Boyes (BOS)
Dany Heatley (OTT)
Eric Staal (CAR)
Jarome Iginla (CGY)
Jason Spezza (OTT)
Joffrey Lupul (EDM)
Jonathan Cheechoo (SJ)
Martin St. Louis (TB)
Michael Peca (TOR)
Patrice Bergeron (BOS)
Rick Nash (CBJ)
Ryan Smyth (EDM)
Sidney Crosby (PIT)
Simon Gagne (PHI)
Todd Bertuzzi (FLA)
Brian Campbell (BUF)
Bryan McCabe (TOR)
Chris Campoli (NYI)
Chris Pronger (ANA)
Jay Bouwmeester (FLA)
Kristopher Letang (PIT)
Marc-Edouard Vlasic (SJ)
Mike Commodore (CAR)
Scott Niedermayer (ANA)
Wade Redden (OTT)
Jean-Sebastien Giguere (ANA)
Martin Brodeur (NJ)
Ray Emery (OTT)
I would LOVE some of what you're smoking.
I'll use the same format though.
Marc Andre Fluery
I've been having such a hard time deciding who i think will be narrowed down to the 15 spots up front (assuming there is the taxi squad in 2010) that i have'nt posted my team yet. I like how you've got Danny Briere on your team,i bet he makes it in Vancouver.I do think Luongo will be on the team though.
On defense Dan Hamhuis could make the grade by that time and i'll be surprised if Redden isn't there.I think Shea Weber's got a good chance by that time too.
You know a guy i think has a chance in 2010 up front?............Mike Fischer from Ottawa.Call me crazy but i think he has the stuff to make the cut in 2010.
I like all your choices except for Redden, even though I too think he'll make the team even though he's one of the most overated players in the league today. I just don't know if there will be enough room for Hamhuis and Weber, but both are exceptional, I agree.
Oops, forgot about Luongo, yeah, he'll probably be there instead of Ward or Fluery.
BTW, anyone who watched Briere at the worlds 2 years ago knows this guy should have been on the 2006 team despite injury, even Gretz said so.
And as far as Fischer goes, for me, it came down to him or Morrow, and with Morrow getting the C in Dallas, and him already playing on a winning World Championship team (on Briere and Heatleys line no less) and the World Cup team, I had to give him the nod.
Me thinks for the 12/13 man main squad of forwards, not taxi squad:
For sure: Sidney Crosby, Eric Staal, Joe Thornton, Brendan Morrow(they will pick a checking forward for sure, he will replace Draper)
Probably: Simon Gagne, Jason Spezza(if he was not a centre would have been for sure), Jarome Iginla, Dany Heatley, Daniel Briere
Maybe: Vincent LeCavalier(tough being a centre), Patrice Bergeron(ditto), Brad Richards(ditto), Steve Bernier(laugh but I think he will continue to emerge), Cheechoo
Unlikely but an outside shot: Sakic(if he is around then), Bertuzzi, Doan, Tanguay, Marleau, Carter, Mike Richards, Rich Nash
Me thinks for the 7/8 squad of defence, not the taxi squad:
For sure: Pronger(if playing), Niedermayer, Phaneuf, Redden
Probably(especialy if Pronger is not playing anymore): Rhegher, Jovanovski
Maybe: Blake(if still playing), Foote(if still playing), Weber, Marc Staal, Seabrook, Bouwmeester, Boyle, Haanan, Phillips
Me thinks for the goalies:
Luongo or Fleury
Brodeur will be retired or too diminished
Fischer idea isn't crazy at all. He reminds me of a more English fluent, center version of Esa Tikkanen.
I love the guy, despite his playing his home games near the Ottawa river.
Yeah,i really like him.I think he could be a real asset to our team in the games.Great forechecker,can score,play physical.
I hope he's on their radar as long as his game is still at the same level it is now.
No way Fischer on the next Olympic team unless Canada sends 3 teams. There is way too much depth for somebody like him, who would have to force his way onto the team being a lesser name, to make it.
The only outside shot he would have to make it is to win the "checkers role" if they make that a compulsory role next time as they did this time over somebody like Morrow. That is the only way he could make it.
Well that's the thing.I think in Vancouver they may have a whole energy/checking line full of specialists at that role.If they do,i'd like to see Fischer on that line.At least the Fischer i've watched the past couple of years.
come Vancouver,i want us to have the best team,not necessarily the best individual talent. It's time to get back to concentrating on team building IMO.
We have hard choices to make coming up but i hope the brain trust will concentrate on what kind of mix will be most effective.It'll be an n.hl game in Vancouver(small ice),not a world championship type venture like the past few olympics have been. We need to build with that in mind IMO.
That is not what I see them doing at all. At the last Olympics the team could not score goals. That was by far their biggest problem, and adding an energy/checking specialist type line would go nowhere to helping that. They wont go from having only 1 checking specialist to having a line of them after that. No way. If anything they might eliminate the checking specialist altogether, but they certainly wont have a full line of them.
I see it differently myself.We only had one checker in Torino as you say,and we could'nt score goals!!Actually we could'nt do much of anything,we were in real need of just one line who could go out there and simply get the team going just by mixing it up and making life miserable on the opposition.The team needed a kick start and never got it by having a team of 13 forwards,12 of them that were mainly offensive specialists by nature,they could'nt find their rgroove or get inspired to play inspired hockey against the opposition at least until they found their groove offensively,did it work? Not last time.
When things are'nt going well offensively teams need to just go out there and work their butt off and make things as tough as can be for the other team,you jam a goal or two in and your confidence get's going and the team get's going in all facets.Sadly,that never happened in Italy,we never had that kind of line that could get it going for us and put the pain on the other team even if the offense was'nt clicking.But most Team Canadas in the past have had at least one line like that.I think we'll go back to it in Vancouver.
Just my opinion though.But let's wait and see what they are planning to do coming up,by 2009 we should start to hear some rumblings about just what kind of team they are looking at putting together.I definately don't think it's design will be modeled after the 2006 one however.
and who would blame them?
Theres soo many people on these lists that will be close to retirement or done with hockey.
This is not a old Quinn team anymore.
I doubt you'll see many old timers on the 2010 team. The Sakic/Blake/Foote generation are all gonna be a bit old. And the guys who are gonna be in their mid-late 30's in 2010 like Redden, Iginla, Bertuzzi, McCabe etc were total *** in Torino.
There are so many great young players and some of Thornton/Richards/Lecav will be enough of a veteran presence for the younger players.
Hopefully the biggest change will be no Quinn and no Hitchcock. The game has passed them by.
Which brings us to the next question.Who is likely to be up for the top coach position at that time?
I really like Mike Babcock, he did an amazing job at the WC when he coached.
He's a definite possibility.
But i'm thinking a Sutter boy is going to be offered the job.
Hopefully its not Daryl, he has no place in the new NHL, assuming of course the Olympics are being called the same the NHL is now.
I don't know who'll be on the Oly team in 2010. That's three-and-a-half years away. But I can tell you now what this team needs, that they didn't have in February:
*Leadership. A lot of people talked about the veteran presence on the Olympic team this year. Frankly, there wasn't enough. The 2002 team had leadership-a-plenty with Lemieux, Yzerman, MacInnis, Nieuwendyk, Peca, Sakic, Brodeur, Foote, and Shanahan. The team in February had Sakic, Foote and Brodeur, and to a lesser extent, a more mature Ryan Smyth. I think we knew leadership would be an issue when Gagne was given an A. The team in 2006 had a lot of international experience, thanks to success in the last three Worlds and the 2004 World Cup, but most of the players that were being counted on for offence were under 30. It's imperative that there
*Forecheck. Smyth and Doan were the only guys on the Olympic team in February who generated an aggressive forecheck. In 2002, you had your top two lines (Sakic-Iginla-Gagne and Lemieux-Yzerman-Kariya) and then seven players - Shanahan, Lindros, Nolan, Nieuwendyk, Peca, Smyth and a focused Theo Fleury - who played aggressive, all-round hockey which included a relentless forecheck. I was one of those who said in December that Shanahan should not have been on the Olympic team. Boy, was I ever wrong. Shanny would have made a world of difference on the 2006 team. Again, Morrow and Richards are players who would make a big difference.
*Defence. Canada had lots of skill up front. But they had a two-pronged problem: they didn't forecheck, and the defence didn't get them the puck. This is where they really missed Scott Niedermayer, and, to a lesser extent, Ed Jovanovski and even Eric Brewer. Those were our top three defencemen in making the outlet pass in 2002. Even Redden and Pronger looked lost out there at times. Foote was abysmal, a shame for a player who rates among Canada's best ever defencemen in international play. A guy like Dan Boyle would hae been a difference maker. They need defencemen who can rush the puck, or make use of the long stretch pass. Phaneuf should be there, but so could a guy like Dan Hamhuis.
*Coaching. With our absence of puck-movers on defence, an aggressive forecheck and leadership, Canada needed coaching. They didn't get it. Pat Quinn thought Kris Draper would be a perfect fit on a line with Joe Sakic and Jarome Iginla. In a short tournament like the Olympics, there is no grace for any mistakes. We can't afford another coaching screw up. Quinn is very popular with his players, but he's tactically weak. Canada needs a coach who can mixed the strategist mindset of a Hitchcock or Martin, with the popularity of a Quinn. And that man, is Randy Carlyle, with Yzerman or Lemieux as an assistant.
The biggest reason Canada failed in February was their inability to gel as a team, despite many of them playing together in international play. A lot of the blame for that can be hung on coaching and leadership.
If the NHL continues to send players to the Olympics beyond 2010 (likely to be held in Salzburg, Austria), it's imperative to have two to four players on the team be Canadian-born players playing on international teams. The Czechs and the Swedes both carried several European-based players in 1998 and 2006, respectively. We've seen European-based players like Dean Evason and Jamie Heward thrive for Canada on gold-winning entries at the Worlds. It gives Canada a couple more players familiar with the international game and rules, and the little nuances that go along with international hockey. It also gives Canada players who won't be affected by jet lag. It won't be necessary in Vancouver in 2010, but come 2014, it will be.
This is officially the best post I've ever seen on HFboards, thats exactly the way I feel about 2006.
I also like Carlyle as a coach, #1 choice, I'm not entirely sure. I can definetly say that he beat the Flames last year in the playoffs with an amazing system.
I actually didnt think Foote was that bad. He took a couple bad penalties but often to bail out his partner who lost their man. I thought Foote and Bouwmeester were ok.
May not be the best team in terms of star players but here is the roster I would like to see for for BC. 1 Homer pick for my checking line
Sidney Crosby - Patrice Bergeron - Corry Perry
Kyle Wellwood - Eric Staal - Justin Williams
Andy MacDonald - Daniel Briere - Michael Cammalleri
Jeff Carter - Travis Zajac - Steve Bernier
Dion Phaneuf - Scott Niedermayer
Mike Van Ryan - Duncan Keith
Brent Seabrook - JAY Bouwmeester
Marc Andre Fleury
Agree with a lot of what you say here,chemistry and leadership were indeed the problems over there last time,chemistry problems being something i understand while leadership issues i can't see why they struggled there at all but they certainly did. Both areas need to be adressed for Vancouver and they will be.
I like the idea of having a guy like Yzerman or Lemieux as an assistant.
Regarding 2014,i'd go a step further and say the bulk of the team not just 4-5 players should be guys playing in Europe at the time.Why? Because it all probability as it stands right now NHL players won't be playing in the olympics after 2010 anymore.
Interesting picks for the team,especially on the wings IMO.Duncan Keith being on the defense is interesting too!!
Care to explain when you've got time? I'm not saying the team you've got here is bad,i'd just be interested in knowing why you picked the guys you have.Players like Briere,Crosby,Staal are all either automatics or probables come 2010 but it's picks like Cammy,Perry,Mcdonald,Williams,Carter ETC that make me wonder just what kind of a team you envision with these guys on the final roster.