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FormentonTheFuture

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What if it's a really, really bad season, and the coach shows no signs of adapting whatsoever?

I'll be OK with keeping Dorion around even though I'm not a fan, but I have to imagine Boucher is gone.
I see more arguments to fire Boucher than Dorion, for sure, but I think Dorion especially deserves to stay.

Look at David Poile in Nashville, the guy survived everything...

Personally I think Boucher will stick around as well, for the start of next season at least.
 

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There's probably still a chance Boucher can save his job this year, but it's going to take something really special, IMO.

He looks like he's lost the ear of the players. Even if he were the best coach in the league, if you lose the room, you're done.
There's probably still a chance Boucher can save his job this year, but it's going to take something really special, IMO.

He looks like he's lost the ear of the players. Even if he were the best coach in the league, if you lose the room, you're done.
That speaks volumes about the players moreso the coach. And it speaks volumes about the "captain"
 

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I see more arguments to fire Boucher than Dorion, for sure, but I think Dorion especially deserves to stay.

Look at David Poile in Nashville, the guy survived everything...

Personally I think Boucher will stick around as well, for the start of next season at least.
nashville missed the playoffs 3 times since o3' and has never been a loser like we are now
 

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nashville missed the playoffs 3 times since o3' and has never been a loser like we are now

They have finished at the bottom or near it on a few occasions. My point is, you don't fire a guy after one bad season. Dorion has missed the playoffs once and made the ECF the other.
 

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They have finished at the bottom or near it on a few occasions. My point is, you don't fire a guy after one bad season. Dorion has missed the playoffs once and made the ECF the other.
i mean i guess if 10th last in the league is bottom or close to the bottom you have a point. they did get 4th opick in the lockout year

im not saying anything about dorion, im just saying using poille as a comparable is kind of stupid lol
 

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That speaks volumes about the players moreso the coach. And it speaks volumes about the "captain"
Yea, the thing is, with this coaching carousel we've had, we have basically experienced a full roster turnover since it began. There's no way, IMO, that it is always on the players. Maybe we have just been making poor coaching choices. I don't think just the players are to blame.

It's a grinding system to play. When the return is loss after loss, it would wear on anyone.
 
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i mean i guess if 10th last in the league is bottom or close to the bottom you have a point. they did get 4th opick in the lockout year

im not saying anything about dorion, im just saying using poille as a comparable is kind of stupid lol

No, it's not. It's very relevant. What did Nashville do before this past season? They always lost in the first or second round every year if they made the playoffs.

A GM doesn't last that long even if he's winning. Poile has survived everything in Nashville. They finally realized they should fire their coach though.
 

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David Poile has been a fantastic GM for Nashville for their entire existence. Any trouble Nashville has had as a franchise are far more budget-related than they are management related. He's done more for less than almost any GM in the league over the last two decades. Dude is a master at getting every ounce of blood from the stones he's given.

Why are we talking about Poile?
 
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David Poile has over 20 years experience managing a professional hockey organization. Pierre Dorion has one. There is no comparison to be made.
You have to start somewhere. [MOD] Poile survived his first four-five years when they stunk.
 
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David Poile has been a fantastic GM for Nashville for their entire existence. Any trouble Nashville has had as a franchise are far more budget-related than they are management related. He's done more for less than almost any GM in the league over the last two decades. Dude is a master at getting every ounce of blood from the stones he's given.

Why are we talking about Poile?

Hmmm now how does that relate to Dorion. Hmmm I wonder.
 

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Dorion will get at least one more chance to learn from his mistakes imo. He got good results in his first year, and hopefully he can see some of the mistakes we can see and try to correct them and/or do better next time.
 

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Hmmm now how does that relate to Dorion. Hmmm I wonder.
Well Dorion dug this hole himself. The underperforming bottom 6 is all him. He signed both underperforming goalies. He traded away the team's top center for another who has severely underperformed. The results of this year are largely to do with Dorion's guys and he's been given the freedom to make the moves he wants.

Poile has never really done that in all his years.
 

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Boucher isn't going anywhere

Lots of coaches have survived much much worse and have come out of it and regain the players 'ears' if that is case (which i don't agree with)

I rmr when ppl were calling for Paul Maurice's head in winnipeg and now look at him.


Boucher and Dorion making it to the ECF give them a bit of rope
 

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Dorion will get at least one more chance to learn from his mistakes imo. He got good results in his first year, and hopefully he can see some of the mistakes we can see and try to correct them and/or do better next time.

This is what I was trying to get across in my other post. Shouldn't Karlsson be given the same opportunity to learn from the mistakes he has made this season??
 

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So did Karlsson, where is his rope?

When people criticize Karlsson, like me, they aren't saying it's his fault. People are questioning whether he will truly return to form after his surgery. You can't just assume everything will be back to normal.
 

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When people criticize Karlsson, like me, they aren't saying it's his fault. People are questioning whether he will truly return to form after his surgery. You can't just assume everything will be back to normal.
If only Karlsson had ever had a major operation and recovered from it to come back into Norris trophy form a year later then maybe we'd have an idea.
 

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Hmmm now how does that relate to Dorion. Hmmm I wonder.

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If only Karlsson had ever had a major operation and recovered from it to come back into Norris trophy form a year later then maybe we'd have an idea.
That doesn't mean this particular injury will be the same. They are two different things. You are just using past results to project the future, when they are not even related. Lots of players have injuries that slow them down, and he's almost 30 now.

Nobody can say he will or won't be back to his 2016-2017 self at this point. If you sign him in the offseason, it's a big gamble. If you just think everything will be OK, you are looking at this issue through rose coloured glasses and a bias for Karlsson. He's human.
 
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