LW Michael Dal Colle (2014, 5th, NYI)
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Returned to AHL this year which is pretty dissappointing. Of the forwards from the 2014 draft top 10, he appears to be the most dissappointing. Most are gearing up for break out years in NHL. Add to that MDC had a really disappointing draft +2 year
Is anyone else getting the bust vibe from him?
Is anyone else getting the bust vibe from him?
He's a scorer, they're hit or miss,put them with a great playmaker and they can look amazing if not they often don't do much else.
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Dal Colle was always going to be a bit of a "project". Him being sent to the AHL this season was to be expected, given his current physical shortcomings (ie. skating, strength) that will affect his game at the NHL level.
The guys who made the NHL ahead of him and look ready to break out also are guys that were much better skaters than him or, in cases like Draisaitl and Ekblad, much stronger and physically developed.
He won't outright bust if he puts his work in. But he hasn't added any significant explosiveness or strength since he was drafted. I don't think he becomes a top-line player.
But to the extent Dal Colle seems to acquiring a bust factor, Ho-Sang seems to have shed a lot of his. Dal Colle couldn't catch up to anyone. Nobody could catch up to Ho-Sang.
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It would be a lot more disappointing if the 19/20 yr old was coming off a bad camp.
Not making the nhl at 19/20 is hardly the end of the world. Simply means MDC is not ready yet.
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lol he's 20. The AHL is the next logical step for his development. He's fine and on track. Not every player makes the NHL by 19 20 21 or 22
No, and its foolish to say he's a bust. But, he's not tracking well compared to the rest of is draft class compared to those drafted in front and the a significant amount of guys behind him. Most 5th overall forwards are in the NHL in their 3rd post draft season. Lindholm, R. Strome (went up down but played primarily in the NHL that year, but was yo-yo'd), Niedereiter (wow you guys draft 5th a lot), Schenn (started AHL, but played primarily NHL), and Kessel. It doesn't seem like he would be the first call up at the moment, and could be in-line for a full season in Binghampton
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This is his first year of AHL eligibility. Saying he's a bust, or not on track because the Islanders are sending him to the AHL at this juncture is just another example of how the Islanders can do no right in some peoples eyes. If they let him play in the NHL, the same people would be saying the Islanders are rushing him.
The fact of the matter is, he's only played a handful of pro games. He had an okay camp, but needs to work on some things. He's better off playing top minutes in the AHL than getting 8mins a night on the 3rd line in the NHL. He's going to be on a line with Josh Ho-Sang, so he will have plenty of chances to score if he goes into the dirty areas.
The fact of the matter is, he's only played a handful of pro games. He had an okay camp, but needs to work on some things. He's better off playing top minutes in the AHL than getting 8mins a night on the 3rd line in the NHL. He's going to be on a line with Josh Ho-Sang, so he will have plenty of chances to score if he goes into the dirty areas.
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Of those drafted after him (can't really fault the Isles for the guys drafted ahead of him, who were gone when they picked), who have moved ahead of him?
In terms of semi-proven top six production, I'd say Ehlers, Fabbri, Larkin, and Pastrnak. McCann and Virtanen have played more games, but I don't think they're any more proven as top six players than Dal Colle is. Nylander has looked good but, again, he's not proven anything yet.
At worst, if you assume the above, Dal Colle would go in the 9-10 range in a re-draft. I don't think that's dropping too far off of where he was taken, especially when you consider guys like him who aren't the best skaters tend to take longer than the guys with good wheels, which all those guys above have.
I think most people would take Honka, Vrana, Sanheim, Ritchie, and Fiala over him at this juncture. His first half of last season with Oshawa was terrible by the standards of a 19 year old top 5 pick in the OHL, and he's the only high pick in recent years to be cut twice from team Canada for the WJC post-draft. If you just want to use NHL production fine, but guys drafted after him are tracking better. It would actually be a debate on who is a better prospect between him and Brayden Point. Others would also put Christian Dvorak ahead of him. I've also seen Kempe, Demko, Kamenev, Barbashev, Nick Schmaltz, and Jake Walman put above him in multiple places (going by Button's February rankings, Pronman's pre-season rankings and last years THN future watch).
So in a re-draft, I don't think he's going top 10 like you said, more like in the 15-20 range.
Edit: On a side note, I've seen these players put about him once between the 3 lists, so they'd be in the discussion to go over him. Tuch, Fleury, Kapanen, Ryan Macinnis, Nedeljkovic, and Conor Garland.
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Everyone that states this never follows it up with him averaging almost 2ppg after his trade, which was as good as anyone in the O.
That being said, his skating improved from last year but it's clear he's still going to need a full year in the A. If he improves further he should have a shot at the Islanders next season. Problem is there's Ladd, Nelson, Lee and Chimera ahead of him. We'd have to lose one of Nelson or Lee (either expansion or trade) in order for him to realistically make the team.
It was good, but you can't ignore that 1st half. For example, Amadio played on a fairly weak team and outperformed him on the year. Konecny was on a terrible Ottawa team and his numbers stayed the same pre and post trade to Sarnia. Someone of Dal Colle skill level shouldn't be so reliant on having a player like Spencer Watson with him to produce. Plus there were a few people who had higher than 1.83 ppg (if you take Dal Colle's good half) in Marner, Strome, Tkachuk and Dvorak out of non-OA's. Plus if you compare his ppg on the whole season 1.33 he is passed by a bunch of people.
Not saying he's terrible or can't develop, but he has been passed by a bunch of people in his draft class.
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I was very disappointed NYI did not draft Ehlers at the time. It obviously would have been the right move.
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Ehlers is tiny and European. Garth always went North American in the first round with exception of Nino who had size the year he was drafted. Ehlers solid player today no doubt but he wasn't a slam dunk pick during the draft. Every draft a crapshoot anyway, most teams have gotten better at drafting over the years but its so difficult to predict.
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