Pre-Game Talk: Leafs @ Vegas baby

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DarkKnight

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Was Marincin bad? I did not watch the entire game. At least he played 18 minutes, which is better than the 13-14 Borgman and Carrick have only been able to get.

I did notice Polak playing more than Gardiner and getting two points though :)
Marincin is bad, that's why nobody picked him up for FREE on waivers. The very fact he made it back into our lineup is telling, we need another D big time.
 

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I have nhl.tv subscription, so, I watch a few games other than the Leafs. I've watched a few Knights games and I think (and hear many broadcast teams and opp broadcast teams saying it also) they are - in general - more consistently a harder working team than our Leafs. So, we gotta come to work on this one. We won't win with just skill here if the Knights play like the usually do.
 

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Assume Carrick draws back in? It's pretty obvious though, we have a problem with our 6th D, just the mere fact Marincin played for us again is alarming. I'd be surprised Carrick sat, except I've watched him play. Get er done Lou, we need a depth D, clearly.
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That is the goal though, to play .500 on the road and play much better at home. LV had a long road trip about a month and a half ago. Any team will get burnt out on a long road trip. LV is 10-7-1 away (.581 points winning %) BTW not .500. That team is good, they are not an aberration. Teams that take them lightly will lose.
The logic just doesn’t hold. You just cant say that a brand new team is going to have the goal of playing nearly 8x better at home thats just not how it works. You are really disrespecting the math significance here. Instead of making excuses for a poorer road performance as you’ve done here, this can be evaluated objectively. What im saying is that the colossal difference in statistical significance between home and away points to outside factors being at play. Making excuses for poor road performance doesn’t work, as by that logic that would mean that thr team would have to play 8x better at home to satisfy it, thats just not realistic.
 

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The logic just doesn’t hold. You just cant say that a brand new team is going to have the goal of playing nearly 8x better at home thats just not how it works. You are really disrespecting the math significance here. Instead of making excuses for a poorer road performance as you’ve done here, this can be evaluated objectively. What im saying is that the colossal difference in statistical significance between home and away points to outside factors being at play. Making excuses for poor road performance doesn’t work, as by that logic that would mean that thr team would have to play 8x better at home to satisfy it, thats just not realistic.

You think .581 is a poor road performance? Not ignoring facts at all. If you think LV is a bad team, peace that is your opinion. If you watch them as a team, watch them play vs good teams like Los Angles, you will see that LV is in fact a very good team. They have earned their record.
 
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You think .581 is a poor road performance? Not ignoring facts at all. If you think LV is a bad team, peace that is your opinion. If you watch them as a team, watch them play vs good teams like Los Angles, you will see that LV is in fact a very good team. They have earned their record.
i am talking about the ratios, fwiw they were 8-7 on the road when I mentioned this a few days ago.
anyways

home: 15-2 = 8:1 win loss ratio
away: 10-7 = 3:2 win loss ratio
I'm saying that the difference in this is so great (there is no greater disparity in home/away ratio than this in the league, peg and Dallas are similar but still much smaller) that outside factors are inflating that home number which makes this team look a lot better than what it is. Now i'm not on my own in thinking this, I was listening in on tsn a couple weeks ago and they were interviewing a western conf gm and they said the same thing, that the first time their team went to vegas they sucked (and blamed the usual suspects ie casino/party/atmosphere) so this certainly isn't baseless speculation on my part. I truly believe that this team's record is much better than what it should be given the roster, and i'm confident that we are going to win tomorrow.
 

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Assume Carrick draws back in? It's pretty obvious though, we have a problem with our 6th D, just the mere fact Marincin played for us again is alarming. I'd be surprised Carrick sat, except I've watched him play. Get er done Lou, we need a depth D, clearly.

Marincin will stay in I'd imagine, we need the extra PKER
 

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He is okay on PK, I get it. Just the fact he's in the lineup again says something about our D depth at the moment.

It's ******* brutal but there's not much out there trade wise yet so we're stuck with this lot

Dermott getting healthy would certainly help
 
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Marincin will stay in I'd imagine, we need the extra PKER

I thought Marincin played well last night. I wouldn't mind Marincin playing and taking on some of the PK duties from Hainsey especially since Zaitsev is out. Guy is 38 and gets over used quite a bit. He may burn out as we approach end of the regular season. Need him in the playoffs.
 

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Didn't feel good about the colorado game going in, but I think they'll come to play in this one. they better, at least.

Vegas is still not actually a good team, despite their record. If we show up, goalie and all, we win.
Doesn't Vegas have decent underlying numbers?
 

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I thought Marincin played well last night. I wouldn't mind Marincin playing and taking on some of the PK duties from Hainsey especially since Zaitsev is out. Guy is 38 and gets over used quite a bit. He may burn out as we approach end of the regular season. Need him in the playoffs.

We're riding Hainsey like a rented Mule right now, it's amazing he's held up this well with what he's being asked to do
 

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So, team staying 25 minutes from the strip. That is so Lou and Babs. I assume they are at one of the resorts at lake Las Vegas. Let's see if it works lol.
 

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The logic just doesn’t hold. You just cant say that a brand new team is going to have the goal of playing nearly 8x better at home thats just not how it works. You are really disrespecting the math significance here. Instead of making excuses for a poorer road performance as you’ve done here, this can be evaluated objectively. What im saying is that the colossal difference in statistical significance between home and away points to outside factors being at play. Making excuses for poor road performance doesn’t work, as by that logic that would mean that thr team would have to play 8x better at home to satisfy it, thats just not realistic.

No doubt, Vegas' environ has the potential to impact players in a negative way moreso than any other in the league, I would say that is fair to suggest for sure.
Plus, the impact that the terrible tragedy in Vegas at the start of the season (and the ensuing Vegas strong feeling) could be at least contributing to Vegas' home record - even if just in a small way.

The impact of these 2 factors though will likely diminish over time. 1) Teams will figure out ways to mitigate the impact of the Vegas environ - stay a shorter time in the city, etc, etc,.
2) As time passes, the tragedy (while heartbreaking) just by sheer fact of it being further in the past, will come to be less of a motivator for the team, if indeed, it has had any positive effect on the team this year.
 

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So, team staying 25 minutes from the strip. That is so Lou and Babs. I assume they are at one of the resorts at lake Las Vegas. Let's see if it works lol.

What's wrong with that? It's a business trip, not for leisure. They can go to Vegas as much as they want in the summer when the season is over and have as much fun as they want.
 
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What's wrong with that? It's a business trip, not for leisure. They can go to Vegas as much as they want in the summer when the season is over and have as much fun as they want.

I don't think there is anything wrong with that. In fact, I totally agree with it. All I am saying, is I wonder if it will make any difference tomorrow (based on how poorly visiting teams have done so far in LV).
 
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I don't think there is anything wrong with that. In fact, I totally agree with it. All I am saying, is I wonder if it will make any difference tomorrow (based on how poorly visiting teams have done so far in LV).

Oh ok, I thought you were criticizing the move lol. Sorry. I am with you, let's see if it works. Leafs can't be the only team that did that while in Vegas.
 

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Oh ok, I thought you were criticizing the move lol. Sorry. I am with you, let's see if it works. Leafs can't be the only team that did that while in Vegas.

Not at all, just saying it is a 'business' move and Lou + Babs are all business (which I do NOT see as a negative). Wonder if any other teams have done this? If the result is good for the road team, I suspect it could become a trend.
 
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