Confirmed with Link: Leafs Sign Timothy Liljegren (Rogle says hes not playing there)

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BoredBrandonPridham

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His talent offensively is already at an NHL level. He can do things with the puck that other players can only dream of. However, there are holes in his game that we all knew about. He didn't step onto the ice like a prime Scott Stevens yesterday, and that's fine. He'll have every opportunity to improve his judgement and defensive ability and his talent will take him pretty far

Can you show an example of him doing something with the puck that others can only dream of?
 

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Can you show an example of him doing something with the puck that others can only dream of?

Mark Fraser can only dream about dreaming of doing things Lil Tim does.
To be honest the majority of defensemen who are not top pairing do not have the skills he has. And even then there are a few who still cannot skate with the puck the way he does.
 
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Can you show an example of him doing something with the puck that others can only dream of?

His elite offensive skills is something that many dont have along with elite skating. That was easy. Sorry if you just felt like downgrading a Leafs player, by asking a question on something where you didnt like the fact that he posted.
 
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Add Lilly to the big 3 who all have some things that you cant teach. No questions needed or asked.
 

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Mark Fraser can only dream about dreaming of doing things Lil Tim does.
To be honest the majority of defensemen who are not top pairing do not have the skills he has. And even then there are a few who still cannot skate with the puck the way he does.

His elite offensive skills is something that many dont have along with elite skating. That was easy. Sorry if you just felt like downgrading a Leafs player, by asking a question on something where you didnt like the fact that he posted.

I actually like him a lot. I'm just asking for an example -- I haven't seen one. I've seen really good skating. But skills with the puck I haven't really seen. Is there an example available rather than just being vehemently offended?
 

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I actually like him a lot. I'm just asking for an example -- I haven't seen one. I've seen really good skating. But skills with the puck I haven't really seen. Is there an example available rather than just being vehemently offended?
Well Mavis I'm not sure I was offended in the least but here you go.
Note is lateral movement with the puck
His transition from forwards to backwards skating with the puck
Note his passing
Note his stickhandling
Note his shot
 

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Well Mavis I'm not sure I was offended in the least but here you go.
Note is lateral movement with the puck
His transition from forwards to backwards skating with the puck
Note his passing
Note his stickhandling
Note his shot


Yea I don't think you were offended. Was more sticky.

Like I mentioned, skating is definitely good, seems to find the net well with his shot. But stick-handling and puck control, based on what I saw just in the showcase and from what I've been able to see since he's been with the Leafs seems to be lacking -- I've noticed he fumbles and loses the puck quite a bit when under pressure.

The highlights are thin on footage that would indicate good puck control, protecting the puck, winning board battles, etc... Again, we all know it's very small samples so hopefully others who have more insight than me and who don't:

stickty111 said:
Add Lilly to the big 3, no questions asked.

... can chime in with evidence.

Based on the skills I've seen, he looks like right now he has the toolset of a PP specialist :dunno: Would we expect more than that out of him?
 

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Liljegren has both the ability and inclination to be a two-way D-man.

As for things he can do with the puck that most can't, it's just to look at his breakout game. His ability to elude pressure and make plays that create clean exits is already at a higher level than most NHL D-men. Case in point, that backhand sauce to an open area where one of our forwards could get the puck in the last game.

He does fumble the puck some, that part of his game can be cleaned up quite a bit.
 

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Liljegren has both the ability and inclination to be a two-way D-man.

As for things he can do with the puck that most can't, it's just to look at his breakout game. His ability to elude pressure and make plays that create clean exits is already at a higher level than most NHL D-men. Case in point, that backhand sauce to an open area where one of our forwards could get the puck in the last game.

He does fumble the puck some, that part of his game can be cleaned up quite a bit.

good analysis. His transition game is impressive, and that's an extremely important aspect of defense nowadays. I also love his work on the line on the powerplay and his ability to always get a good shot through
 

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Liljegren has both the ability and inclination to be a two-way D-man.

As for things he can do with the puck that most can't, it's just to look at his breakout game. His ability to elude pressure and make plays that create clean exits is already at a higher level than most NHL D-men. Case in point, that backhand sauce to an open area where one of our forwards could get the puck in the last game.

He does fumble the puck some, that part of his game can be cleaned up quite a bit.

How do you catch the games? I'm in the UK and can't stay up past 10pm let alone 12am :laugh:

I hope you're right about eluding pressure -- I feel like I've seen him force the puck into pressure quite a bit on the zone entries. Nylander I would say is a note-able forward who seems great at carrying the puck in and buying time and space for the others to set up.
 

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How do you catch the games? I'm in the UK and can't stay up past 10pm let alone 12am :laugh:

I hope you're right about eluding pressure -- I feel like I've seen him force the puck into pressure quite a bit on the zone entries.

You could always sleep early and then wake up to watch the game, and then go back to sleep

it certainly takes dedication to be a fan in such an inconvenient timezone
 

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Assuming he doesn't make the team out of camp, I would love to see how he and Dermott look together. Although Dermott has been looking amazing, so he might make the team out of camp by default. Wouldn't mind seeing them as a bottom pairing next season though.

Gardiner - Zaitsev
Rielly - Hainsey
Dermott - Liljegren

Beautiful.
 

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Looks like he needs some schooling, should not rush this kids, he's a keeper

Agreed. As much as I thought he'd have an outside shot at stealing the #6 spot on this team, he needs some time. The skill is there but looks like Timmy will need time to get used to the speed and physicality of the north american game. The way he played in the rookie tourny, you could tell his decision making was a little delayed. He didn't look super comfortable and the Timothy we usually see (leading rushes and playing aggressively) wasn't quite there. Once he can get comfortable with the NA playing style and rink and starts to regain his game, he will do wonders for the buds. Till then, let the kid brew! No need to rush him.
 

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This is somewhat obvious but Lilj. is one of those players that will elevate his game with skilled players around him providing sure outlets and sure covers for his skating and offensive play-making.

Nith nailed it in his impressions of the tourney - Lilj pushes the play in instances when a more structured approach is better. I found he forced the up-ice play and the shot on goal when other partner options were more better options. No big deal - these are coaching opportunities as Keefe mentioned.

What is clear is that this 18yr old has all the skating and shooting we could want in a prospect.
 

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Looked good to me. Could probably take a roster spot and I think he will play better with a steady partner. He is a driver and a team with structure will make him look better unlike the disaster rookie squad.
 

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This is somewhat obvious but Lilj. is one of those players that will elevate his game with skilled players around him providing sure outlets and sure covers for his skating and offensive play-making.

Nith nailed it in his impressions of the tourney - Lilj pushes the play in instances when a more structured approach is better. I found he forced the up-ice play and the shot on goal when other partner options were more better options. No big deal - these are coaching opportunities as Keefe mentioned.

What is clear is that this 18yr old has all the skating and shooting we could want in a prospect.

Agreed, a lot of time in the video room and just refining his game will go a long way. I felt he pushed the puck in deep sometime when he had no one to cover for him was ill advised but the talent is there.

Defenseman take a while to develop though anyway.
 

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I actually like him a lot. I'm just asking for an example -- I haven't seen one. I've seen really good skating. But skills with the puck I haven't really seen. Is there an example available rather than just being vehemently offended?

I think you should classify it as hyperbole.

Obviously, there are defensemen who can do what he does, and better, playing in the NHL and likely elsewhere.

But we should still be excited if the Leafs have a potential star on the blueline ... which is an extreme longshot at this point.
 

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I think you should classify it as hyperbole.

Obviously, there are defensemen who can do what he does, and better, playing in the NHL and likely elsewhere.

But we should still be excited if the Leafs have a potential star on the blueline ... which is an extreme longshot at this point.

He has a lot of the tools that you'd want to see in a potential star defenseman. He did look like a RHD OEL out there a bit. I don't care what a lot of people say but OEL isn't that great defensively, he just plays on a small market team.

The talent level is off the charts and he just needs time in the video room and to work on his defense. He's not Drew Doughty or Aaron Ekblad who can step in and play as an 18 year old but he shouldn't be expected to as an 18 year old picked 17th overall in a meh draft class.
 
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