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Slacked off a bit on reading due to life in the last little while.

Three Rooms in Manhattan by Georges Simenon (1946) - Written by perhaps the most prolific author of all-time (Damn near 500 novels to his name, and that's without counting the short stories!) if I could write a single novel as interesting and precise as this one, I'd be a happy man. Following the simple story of François Combe, a lonely french actor in New York, who rapidly meets and rapidly falls in love with the equally lonely Kay, the novel delves deeply into the insecurities of a new love and jarring experiences that come with it as you navigate a new relationship. Simenon does not get lost - and nor does the reader, for that matter - and Simenon always serves his story. As you get deeper into the characters heads - and Simenon excels here - I appreciated the fact that the writer didn't allow the book to delve into a Woman saves Man from himself through her selfless love story but instead gives equal importance to both characters despite the feeling that you get that the writing is talking about himself through François Combe. Simenon's background as a mystery/detective writer also appears here, particularly in the beginning, where, like François Combe, you appear unsure of Kay's motives at the beginning of the story, although the feeling gradually dissipâtes letting the story breathe at just the right time. I've always enjoyed Simenon, although I haven't read too much of his work, but I'll definately be picking up more of his work when I get the chance.
 

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Once again going to toss a graphic novel in here:

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Superman Red Son - Mark Millar (2003)

Starting to realize there's a lot of literature in our culture that the comic book world has done exceptionally well, and deserves to be in the conversation of great stories of our time. The Dark Knight Returns absolutely sold me on this.

This story has the idea of what if Superman's alien ship crashed in the Soviet Union during the Cold War as opposed to America. He steps up as the good old kid from a farm in Russia instead of Kansas. It becomes a satirical but poignant story of communism vs. capitalism, but not in a funny way. Or actually its funny at times who becomes who and how but the story itself it pretty serious.

From being a farm kid to Superman and how Americans react to this guy being from another country, to the power struggle after Stalin dies, and meeting Batman, to how it all ends - really interesting stuff. Also you get art like:

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Periodically when I review stuff on here I wonder why I wait until I've finished consuming whatever it is before writing anything. Halfway through something I'll think "if I wrote stuff down now or took notes it would make things easier," or when I've finished writing something I'll hit submit and five minutes later I'll remember something I wanted to say and bemoan my idiocy for not remembering something that was so crucial to me at the time.

Last summer I nearly made it all the way through all of George Orwell's books. I'm sure at some point within a review of one of those was a complaint about the term 'Orwellian,' a descriptor applied entirely to Nineteen Eighty Four and none of his previous life or writing. There's an irony he would probably have enjoyed in the people who throw that term around the most understanding it the least, and I personally would suggest with some confidence that most people who bemoan pervasive Orwellian influences on modern life have never read anything he's ever written. You could argue some relevance in the term to his previous writing as Nineteen Eighty Four is arguably a logical conclusion to what came before it, that every injustice Orwell saw throughout the world was condensed and exposed in a single volume, but again, I doubt most people who use the term would be able to appreciate that when they do.

The first actual book Orwell had published was Down and Out in Paris and London, an uncomfortably voyeuristic view of life working in a terrible hotel in Paris and then tramping around London. While vivid and terrible in its descriptions there was an air of inauthenticity I couldn't get over when I read it. It sounded too much like the person experiencing this was trying to convince himself as much as the reader that he was like the people he was encountering. That he couldn't avoid the sensation that he was an outsider, no matter how much he tried. Of course, this was some amount of years before he came around to writing The Road to Wigan Pier, specially commissioned and documented much more thoroughly as a straight-forward piece of documentation of reality. There are frequent apologies for Orwell's appearance and accent which probably serves to make the whole thing much more acceptable to me than Down and Out, and the experience (and subsequent world-weariness acquired therein) accrued in the time between these publications helps create a much more engaging read.

The problem with The Road to Wigan Pier, and this is where my first paragraph will become relevant, is in its structure. Like Down and Out, it's in two parts. The first part is the road to Wigan, as Orwell recounts a journey to the industrial north and the mining towns there. This section is magnificent. Well, magnificently written, the things it describes are horrific. This isn't an area in the direct aftermath of war or some catastrophic society-destroying event, this is normal life. Of endless families crammed into housing literally falling apart before your eyes, of people scrambling over dirt piles to find lumps of coal as a means of a living, of people being glad for their teeth falling out because it causes you less hassle, of dirt and filth and squalor ingrained in every part of a person's psyche and physical being. And it's normal. I think that's what's most harrowing about the people Orwell writes about meeting. They all accept this. There's naturally a pride to the coal miners he meets as you would expect in any profession, particularly one which is so impressive from a physical standpoint, but all of the conditions and things which go along with that are unfathomable to me reading it now, and they are in a sense to Orwell, but not really. He writes of coal being a sort of ubiquity, something which is there and is perpetual, that we won't be without because we can't be without. Yet at the other end of that spectrum there's no real thought ever given to how it reaches us, the people who use it.

The descriptions of the mines themselves are as shocking as anything else. Describing how he, a man six foot two, struggled after going down in the lift into a tiny opening before walking at a half crouch, crawling in places, to actually get to the coal seam where the mining was taking place, is particularly evocative and he's much better at conveying the closeness of his surroundings than he was in Down and Out. The idea of doing that every day is as alien to him as it is to me. Maybe anyone could have conveyed that sensation, maybe it's because the things described are as shocking to him as they are to me, either way, the end result is the same.

The issue with the book as a whole arises when he moves above ground and stops talking about actual people, which comes far too soon. While I enjoy Orwell's writing about socialism and social issues in isolation from a historical perspective, attaching them to the first half of this book acts to overshadow the shocking things he describes in the mines and lessens their impact purely through boredom if nothing else. I might be sympathetic to his general worldview, but here it has a sense of being meandering, of not really knowing what point he's trying to make and you end up switching off as you read it. Ironically you want to go back to the conditions he's advocating for the improvement of.

One thing which the second part of the book, - and other writing of Orwell's is guilty of this, though since I'll never have the attention span to take in loads of his essays at once I'll have to expand on this when I re-read Coming Up For Air - does is betray an almost unconscious hypocrisy of Orwell which is still arguably present in the British public today, although from different perspectives. Orwell writes frequently - directly and indirectly - about the change in Britain from his childhood to the present day. From the sense of wholesome farmlife where there was an air of self-sufficiency and above all else decency about the way of life. He seems appalled by the sense that there are people who have to exert dirty physical labour to earn a living, apparently oblivious to the realities that farming and a country centred around agriculture and subsistence farming would entail given the expanding population. There's a bit of stuff in Wigan Pier about mechanisation and the future of human labour in a socialist Britain but honestly, I don't think you can read it with any seriousness given this was written in the thirties and Orwell was dead by the fifties. It's too of its time to be taken wholly as meaning anything in the present.

Is that a problem? Does my distaste of the term Orwellian mean I consider everything he wrote in terms of its influence on the present day? I'm not sure. I think there's a naivety in some of the things he writes comparing his childish, idealised view of what the country should be compared to the actual reality of the times he was writing in (even excepting the war to come, which he viewed with a depressing inevitability the closer it got), but I don't think this lessens the legitimacy of the things he wrote specifically about the times he was writing about. I guess I'm just annoyed when people who don't have a clue what they're talking about pull things out of literature and misapply them to support their own nonsense.

My copy of The Road to Wigan Pier isn't actually the book itself, it's contained in a collection of other related essays titled 'Orwell's England,' some of which I've read and some of which I've read elsewhere. There's a quote on the back which says "No one wrote about the English character better than Orwell," which I think is fair. I think his views about his country and what's best for it were admirable and grounded in a lot of legitimate desire if not practical capacity to be implemented. However, I don't think he was fully aware of the consequences which would arise from trying to do anything about them, even if you take out the fact that I know history that he doesn't. I also think these views of his are far more relevant and ingrained in British public consciousness today than anyone - incorrect user of 'Orwellian' or otherwise - would realise. And I don't think that's a good thing.
 

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A Prayer for Owen Meany
, by John Irving

A Prayer for Owen Meany is a long, fond and melancholy remembrance of Owen Meany by his childhood friend John. Owen, always light as a feather, starts out small and stays small. Despite his diminutive size--he is just under five feet tall--he has an oversized impact upon virtually everyone with whom he comes into contact, especially his best friend Johnny whose life is permanently changed by him for good and for ill. Among other things, Owen inadvertently kills his mother, though even that doesn't shake their friendship. At one point Owen has a dream and this dream becomes a terrible kind of prophesy, a prophesy that propels Owen toward Viet Nam. At least, he thinks it does. He knows a lot, but he doesn't know everything. Johnny tells two tales here. The first is the story of Owen and whether or not he is literally an instrument of God, and the second narrative is his own story, tucked in with Owen's, a man blessed by a special friendship that nonetheless takes a toll on his own life. I sometimes thought that the novel was written as though intended to give freshmen English Lit. students endless information to analyze. Irving's use of symbols and complex themes is especially brilliant. All manner of questions about the nature of faith, friendship and doubt are presented. A reader could spend hours fitting the pieces together. Owen, whose voice is a permanent screech, is at first a great comic character; many of the incidents that Johnny writes about are howlingly funny. However, Irving transforms Owen into something much more complex by the end of the novel. On another level, A Prayer for Owen Meany is clearly Irving's Viet Nam novel. While Irving certainly hates the war (as well as some of its more vocal protestors), he hates even more what he sees America becoming--a country of people, addicted to television, who have willfully given their trust to the worst charlatans imaginable (in his view at the time, fundamentalist religious leaders). Written thirty years ago, the novel remains a fascinating mixture of anger, faith and conflicted feelings. I can see why Irving at his best gets compared to Dickens. A Prayer for Owen Meany is a sweeping work, one that is both intellectually and emotionally engaging.
 

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While Mortals Sleep by Kurt Vonnegut (2011) - A short story collection by Vonnegut offering stories which went unpublished during his life. Humorous and endearing, the collections offers numerous stories which conflate art and technology, our relationship with and how it effects our own relationships with one another. Although there isn't a common theme centered around the stories, they all offer to some extent a commentary on society and our humanity in zany ways, although often with a certain sense of irony and bitterness within quite a few of the stories which adds to the impact it can make upon the reader. Also, it's reflection upon the past are quite soulful. I often found myself laughing out loud throughout the reading the story, then reflecting with a frown or a smile at the end.

Favorite stories: Jenny and Hundred-Dollar Kisses.
 

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Is it just me or does it seem like so many acclaimed books/current trend in fiction seem to be almost solely based on societal issues and far less so on the individual experience? Seems like every book winning an award these days is trying to make a point about broad world issues. Personally, I tend to gravitate more towards stories which center themselves around one character's solipsistic experience.
 
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The Basketball Diaries (1978) by Jim Carroll - I had first read the book when I was 15 or so - and loved it - and had lost my copy God knows when or how, years ago. Wandering inside my local book store, I stumbled upon the book and struck with a wave of nostalgia, I decided to buy it once more and have no regrets. It's an excellent book. Beautifully organic and aimless with an amateurish quality and energy - and I mean this in a good way - I couldn't help but be impressed by the quality of the writing from someone that was 13-15 at the time (!). Recounting the drug-filled days of a Young basketball player in the streets of New York, the atmosphere and scenic imagery is presented vividly through Carroll's prose as are the numerous seedy characters - drug-addicts, office workers, housewives, perverts are all portrayed as creeps here - in an often simultaneously jarring and humorous manner. There's a lot of spirit to the book, and perhaps unconsciously, seems to serve as an ode to the drug scene of 60s New York. Jim Carroll's teenage self - he published his diaries in his late 20s - comes across as funny, endearing (with a big, filthy and charming mouth) and tragically wise beyond his years. The prose clunks at times, but what a fine book. Immensely quotable and fantastic use of vernacular, too.
 
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Nostalgia
, by M. G. Vassanji

In the not-so-distant future a doctor helps patients whose memories from their past lives seep into their present identities. It is now possible to assume new identities, the only proviso being that you have to forget everything you knew about your former self. For those tired of their own lives, this is a bargain. Howerver, for some, old memories keep surfacing sometimes with disastrous consequences. Vassanji starts with an interesting premise and then does absolutely nothing with it. Nostalgia suffers from the curse of many science fiction novels---the author might have a fertile imagination but hasn't the ability to write a shopping list. The prose here is flat and miserable--I kept revising the sentences in my head trying to get at what I thought the novelist was trying to say. He has no idea what to do with his premise--the plot never really gets under way in any compelling fashion and all that is left is a great spinning of wheels as Vassanji tries to think up what should happen next. The end result is boring in the extreme.
 

Spring in Fialta

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A Confederacy of Dunces by John Kennedy Toole (1980) - A blast of a book. High-energy and filled with life - hilariously so - I couldn't help but feel sad when thinking about it's contrast with the life of Toole himself (who's suicide in his early 30s was partly aided by the novel's numerous rejections) and despite the sentiment not being felt through the story itself, I couldn't help but feel this morbid sentiment throughout the experience, although it didn't take away from my enjoyment of the art itself, but left me rather bittersweet about it all when I'd put down the book after a reading session. Brimming with comedic energy - both through intellectual wit and slapstick - I felt as if I was taken along for a mad dash through New-Orléans while never pausing for a breather, which I felt was the right course to take for the author (despite the novel's length) as it gave you the sentiment of living through the various zany characters who make the book come to life. Toole's prose is also top-shelf. Weaving simultaneously in hilarious eloquent prose - thanks to Ignatius J. Reilley's délusions of grandeur - and southern vernacular, the writing had a nice, musical twang to it that gives the book a lot of it's charms and while I've never been one for detailed description of surroundings, Toole, through his colorful and vibrant description of New-Orléans, succeeds is making the city come to life along with the characters who inhabit it, while never going overboard with the descriptions by boring the reader with them. They were tastefully done.

Toole's fondness for his main character also pays off beautifully at the end of the story. Throughout the story, while Reilly's musings and actions are funny and amusing, there's not much emotional depth given to Reilly until the end where Toole - done perfectly through the perspective of other characters, particulary his long-suffering neighbor who rambles about Reilly's past to the latter's former boss - gives a tragic aura to his main character as he despicably and hilariously becomes more and more delirious as the walls close in around him. This aspect also made to give it's ending a sweeter, hopeful note, despite being aware in practical terms, it might not have been the best course of action for good ol' Ignatius J. Reilly. All in all, the book's a tour de force.

Also, I'll add, knowing that influent publishers refused the book - despite finding it to be strong work - because '' the story had no point '' angers me that such people with such limited points of view can have such an influence over the art the public is exposed to. Perhaps the story does not have a point but so what? The only point that matters is the satisfaction you receive from the first page to the last, whether it's a profound, intellectual work or just a crazy story about crazy people. Art shouldn't need to make a grand point to be appreciated, and why this always seems to be applied to literature more than other artforms has always baffled me. Books like A Confederacy of Dunces is what makes books worth reading. A beautiful work.
 
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It turns out I'm not really sure how to start a review of a George Orwell book without complaining about the misuse of his name as an adjective. It's worth noting that the wikipedia page for Homage to Catalonia is nearly as descriptive as the book itself: Homage to Catalonia - Wikipedia

Of his three major non-fiction texts this is unquestionably the best. While Down and Out in Paris and London felt too voyeuristic and insincere and The Road to Wigan Pier too short and preachy in equal measure, this is a straight-forward account of his time spent in the Spanish civil war and his reasons for being there. The thing which is most striking about what he describes here is how contradictory it is. It's a fight against fascism but the apparent socialist paradise he first encounters has people pretending they're working class so they don't get punished or arrested. They're at war with the fascist troops while under and ill-equipped with barely enough weapons or bullets or food to go around. You're in fear for your life from a stray bullet while certain that your enemy is as badly prepared as you or worse.

In terms of the actual sensation of being involved in a war I think the most interesting thing described throughout here is that the scene of all the fighting is still recognisable as an actual place. When I think about war, or wars in particular to be more specific, they seem to exist in my mind in some JRPG-esque location removed from their actual surroundings. If you tell me about a World War Two battle which took place in a city and saw buildings destroyed and such I won't reconcile that with my understanding of the present day location. Yet here in Homage to Catalonia there's never really that same sense of confusion. A lot of the actual fighting and training is done outside of major cities but then he recants to Barcelona for supplies or to meet his wife when he's injured. To read writing about war which distinguishes its location in this way is interesting and subverts my usual expectations about what goes on.

Being a proud Englishman of the early 20th century there's still something... I don't want to say colonial about it (because how could you), but the near-constant weariness about inefficiency and ill-preparedness of Spain and Spaniards for what's going on is consistent. Yet similar to above, he'll criticise teenagers for not taking war seriously while raving about the generosity of the Spanish people. Maybe because he's more involved in the action here and has a clear purpose for being so that this aloofness isn't as off-putting as it is in Down and Out in Paris and London. Maybe I'm that used to reading Orwell I just accept it and don't resent him for it.

The book has two appendices which were originally included in the main body but which were changed and placed at the end because they're predominately about the intricacies of the political factions of the time. Orwell makes multiple references to the reader being able to ignore these if they wish, and I think it's too the book's detriment that this is encouraged. I got about three pages into the first before giving up. The problem with writing about something which you were so heavily involved in is that what's common knowledge to you at the time isn't so to the reader who wasn't there. When he references all these parties and groups throughout it'd be nice to know who all of them are. Although the result is a straightforward 'fascism = bad' sentiment throughout the whole narrative I feel like the book misses an opportunity to be a more serious and comprehensive examination of the conflict in general by hiding these details. Orwell does write that to hold this or any other individual text as a complete overview of the war is a bad idea, but it's like he deliberately sabotaged his own to emphasise this point.

While I'm not going to claim to be an expert on the genre I imagine that one of the most important aspects of writing about war is being able to properly convey all the horrors you experience when you're involved in it. While the fear of being killed or injured is obviously important in this the seemingly mundane aspects of being at war when you don't have the proper equipment need to be mentioned. Not having food, of the piles of rubbish and turds found in ruined ground, the added sense of fear as unknown forces try to stamp out you and your group afterwards. All of this is here. Like most Orwell the book is concise and never dwells on one thing for too long, but then you get the sense that he was writing of a time of a lot of change in a small space of time, so it sort of fits.

I think it was good for Orwell personally and professionally to experience political upheaval in a non-British perspective and I think he realised that when he was writing (as he had to afterwards because his diaries and photographs were all taken away from him when he was in Spain). I think it broadens his perspective on the various British and global socio-political subjects he wrote about and the things which were to follow ultimately benefitted from it. More to come on those though, obviously.
 

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Smith probably would have won if the Booker prize had not been opened up recently beyond writers in the Commonwealth. She was the favorite after the American Saunders. UK media seems to be rattled a bit by the 2nd American win in as many years. (it doesn't bother me personally).

Nor me. If the award is for the best book in English then disqualifying American books is nonsense. I've no real desire to read Lincoln in the Bardo; I was hoping something else won.

Colorless Tsukuru Tazaki and His Years of Pilgrimage, by Haruki Murakami

I really liked this too but I couldn't shake the feeling that it was a lesser version of something he'd already written.

Do people really care about literary awards?

People seemed to really care about last year's Nobel Prize for Literature. Not so much this year. Funny that.

Or to be more specific, do people value literary awards as integral to a writer's standing, ability or reputation?

Integral? No. It is helpful in terms of discovering books that might have otherwise have been missed. I strongly doubt I'd have picked up Moon Tiger if it wasn't a past Booker winner and that's in the upper echelon of books I've read. In general though I don't think the lack of an award reflects badly on an author. I do think a well curated literary award would be a really good thing. The Nobel committee seems to want to not provide this. Hopefully the Booker and Booker international will start to provide this.

Nobody reads "easy stuff"? Books, you have not to think much about. You already know the finale, but you read it anyway.

I do. Not often perhaps but from time to time. I've got one coming up that I should be able to read this year.

Can anyone take a look at that list and think of some books I might enjoy? I like fiction. I prefer longer books. I like a lot of detail. I like emotive narratives. I enjoy reading about people, places, and/or times that are different from my own.

Maybe try And Quiet Flows the Don, The Wind-Up Bird Chronicle and Things Falls Apart. Things Fall Apart isn't very long but it is the first part of The African Trilogy which you can get in one volume.

Is it just me or does it seem like so many acclaimed books/current trend in fiction seem to be almost solely based on societal issues and far less so on the individual experience? Seems like every book winning an award these days is trying to make a point about broad world issues. Personally, I tend to gravitate more towards stories which center themselves around one character's solipsistic experience.

Funny you should mention that. Right now I'm tired of solipsistic novels but that may be more to do with the last few I've read.
 

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Nor me. If the award is for the best book in English then disqualifying American books is nonsense. I've no real desire to read Lincoln in the Bardo; I was hoping something else won.



I really liked this too but I couldn't shake the feeling that it was a lesser version of something he'd already written.



People seemed to really care about last year's Nobel Prize for Literature. Not so much this year. Funny that.



Integral? No. It is helpful in terms of discovering books that might have otherwise have been missed. I strongly doubt I'd have picked up Moon Tiger if it wasn't a past Booker winner and that's in the upper echelon of books I've read. In general though I don't think the lack of an award reflects badly on an author. I do think a well curated literary award would be a really good thing. The Nobel committee seems to want to not provide this. Hopefully the Booker and Booker international will start to provide this.



I do. Not often perhaps but from time to time. I've got one coming up that I should be able to read this year.



Maybe try And Quiet Flows the Don, The Wind-Up Bird Chronicle and Things Falls Apart. Things Fall Apart isn't very long but it is the first part of The African Trilogy which you can get in one volume.



Funny you should mention that. Right now I'm tired of solipsistic novels but that may be more to do with the last few I've read.

Do you mean Bob Dylan's win? If so, I can see why and agreed with the backlash, personally - for both personal and practical reasons. I mean, Bob Dylan's already Bob Dylan and there's great, great writers out there who deserve the recognition. Bob Dylan's work can and is recognized in a multitude of ways and has been for a long time. I don't blame people for wanting the spotlight to be shone on other, unheralded - in the extent that literature doesn't have that mainstream pull that music has - artists be recognized for their life's work.
 

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Any award is going to be at the mercy of the taste, sensibilities and opinions of only a select group of people, which will always lead to oversights. I think trying to judge books like this at the time of publication is also somewhat misleading. Decade-end lists or the like would be more... convincing? Reliable?

On the occasion I'm on Wikipedia looking at writers and novels I'd like to be able to understand I always enjoy seeing ones listed in retrospectives or lists and looking at what company they keep. My favourite is this: Modern Library 100 Best Novels - Wikipedia

You see lots of names you recognise in the editor's list. Joyce, Fitzgerald, Nabokov, Faulkner, Steinbeck. Then you see the readers' list. Four Ayn Rand, three L. Ron Hubbard and Lord of the Rings. Maybe people do need to be told what's good for them after all.
 
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Any award is going to be at the mercy of the taste, sensibilities and opinions of only a select group of people, which will always lead to oversights. I think trying to judge books like this at the time of publication is also somewhat misleading. Decade-end lists or the like would be more... convincing? Reliable?

On the occasion I'm on Wikipedia looking at writers and novels I'd like to be able to understand I always enjoy seeing ones listed in retrospectives or lists and looking at what company they keep. My favourite is this: Modern Library 100 Best Novels - Wikipedia

You see lots of names you recognise in the editor's list. Joyce, Fitzgerald, Nabokov, Faulkner, Steinbeck. Then you see the readers' list. Four Ayn Rand, three L. Ron Hubbard and Lord of the Rings. Maybe people do need to be told what's good for them after all.

The reader's list comes across as fanboys stuffing the ballot - kind of like the All-Star game - instead of being a true representation of the everyday reader's taste though.
 

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Do you mean Bob Dylan's win? If so, I can see why and agreed with the backlash, personally - for both personal and practical reasons. I mean, Bob Dylan's already Bob Dylan and there's great, great writers out there who deserve the recognition. Bob Dylan's work can and is recognized in a multitude of ways and has been for a long time. I don't blame people for wanting the spotlight to be shone on other, unheralded - in the extent that literature doesn't have that mainstream pull that music has - artists be recognized for their life's work.

Yeah, Dylan's win. I agree entirely with you; I'm just facetiously referencing the people who were outraged when Dylan won but seem to have nothing to say about Ishiguro's award. But, yeah. Dylan's award was a very poor decision.

Any award is going to be at the mercy of the taste, sensibilities and opinions of only a select group of people, which will always lead to oversights. I think trying to judge books like this at the time of publication is also somewhat misleading. Decade-end lists or the like would be more... convincing? Reliable?
Talking of oversights I suspect Underground Railroad not making it to the Booker shortlist after winning the Pulitzer and National Book Award while History of Wolves was shortlisted will seem like a big oversight in a few years.
End of decade lists I think would be better. Doing the Booker 10 years in arrears would be better still if it wasn't so impractical.

On the occasion I'm on Wikipedia looking at writers and novels I'd like to be able to understand I always enjoy seeing ones listed in retrospectives or lists and looking at what company they keep. My favourite is this: Modern Library 100 Best Novels - Wikipedia

You see lots of names you recognise in the editor's list. Joyce, Fitzgerald, Nabokov, Faulkner, Steinbeck. Then you see the readers' list. Four Ayn Rand, three L. Ron Hubbard and Lord of the Rings. Maybe people do need to be told what's good for them after all.

The awfulness of the readers list hides to some degree how poor the editors list is. I think the top of the readers list is a good snapshot of which groups were active on the internet in the late 90's.
 
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The reader's list comes across as fanboys stuffing the ballot - kind of like the All-Star game - instead of being a true representation of the everyday reader's taste though.

Ayn Rand as the Rory Fitzpatrick of authorship is something I can get behind.
 
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Where to begin with a review of Coming Up for Air by George Orwell without rehashing things I've posted recently? One thing I can be certain of is that I'll have a better review and clearer thoughts on it than when I first read it two years ago.

The novel is the tale of George Bowling: 45, fat, married and trapped in a modern, streamlined suburban nightmare. He lives in a house that could be one of thousands on his estate or on one anywhere else in the country, his family is the same nagging wife and insufferable children everyone else has, he himself is the kind of jovial fat man everyone knows and feels an immediate intimacy with. The problem is that while George recognises all of this and discusses it quite candidly, he hates it. He compares everything to the vivid memories he has of pre-adolescent childhood, and nothing compares.

George wins 17 quid on the horses (about a week's wage) after a tip from an astrology book from a workmate and decides after seeing a poster which reminds him of a hymn sung in church when he was young decides to return to his home village of Lower Binfield, after spending lots of pages detailing his youth and the value thereof. When he returns he finds rather than a village it's a full-blown industrial town with its own suburbs. Nearly all of the landmarks he remembers are gone, along with all the surrounding natural beauty. Thoroughly disgusted he returns home to his wife who found out he lied about going on a business trip, and starts berating him for it.

The cover of the Penguin edition, that great symbol of modern literary uniformity, declares that we see "Nineteen Eighty-Four here in embryo," and, inevitably, it's hard to distinguish any Orwell from what his literary career would culminate in. What I think sets Coming Up for Air apart from any of his other novels and most of his non-fiction is that rather than dealing solely with worries of the present there's a much more significant concern for the future embedded within it.

And that's just the thing. It's 1938 and having lived and (technically) fought through one war George knows the signs of another one coming. He knows the folly of thinking it's going to be a good thing, he calls out the enthusiasm young people have for fighting in it and he sees the impending destruction all around him. Rows and rows of identical houses with machine guns squirting out the windows, bluebottles hovering around freshly baked pies like planes and sausages served up in soulless diners exploding in his mouth like bullets. Much of Orwell's writing has been warning of or against some sort of hideous social restructuring and it's a mark of how good he was at it by this point that you can read Coming Up in two completely different ways and not have them contradict one another. On one hand it's a genuine warning of the life past and that which is to come, on the other it's a harmless old man sliding into being accepting of his middle age reminiscing and longing over his own past.

For me though it's impossible to read it without the fear. When he's recalling the outbreak of the first world war he writes of a sense of collective anticipation and throughout the novel it's not even necessarily just anticipation, it's acceptance. There's an irony too, as the present day and its advancements is something George sees as having destroyed what he understands his life and country to be, while there's something much more tangibly destructive on the horizon. Maybe it's the absurdist elements, there's much more comedy in this than in Orwell's other writings (the benefit of him inhabiting a fat man, perhaps) and it crosses a line from regular comedy into someone in shock laughing their head off as their house has blown up around them. Which actually happens, as a stray bomb falls from a (British) plane leaving a leg in a boot amidst the rubble of a destroyed building. It's unnerving. It's horrifying. Yet it's so commonplace you realise it's life, and it's not trying to describe anything out of the ordinary.

Maybe it's my own non-comprehensive perspective of Orwell's writing about his country but he always seems to be in the midst of a personal battle with himself in trying to be objective, or at least realistic. In his political writings it's obviously much more overt as he has clearly defined positions to argue for/against and isn't going to deviate from those or try writing anything else in the process, but the problem with this is that it can be a bit one-sided. Idealistic I think is the best way I'd describe it. Coming Up is, at times, a really poorly disguised example of this. It's partly auto-biographical and as I've said I think there's a certain amount of lampooning we can afford to George, but it's betrayed when he's legitimately disgusted by returning to his home town. When he goes into the hotel he's staying at and tells the barmaid his name he's ready to pretend to be surprised at being recognised by name, he moved away at sixteen, when his parents died decades ago, and when the family business was taken over some time before that. Of course, you could say that this idealisation of George's individual circumstances are just a reflection of his wider opinions. It's also interesting that he shares a name with Orwell's own pseudonym.

This isn't to say that the impossible childhood George recalls isn't idyllic or described in misleading ways, it isn't. Orwell captures perfectly the sense of perpetuity that you perceive the world in when your age is in single figures. How one day or one event can dominate your memories of an entire time and all the smells, words and physical feelings that contribute. It's why he's taken back to his childhood when he sees the name of a foreign king in the paper and remembers songs from church. It's why the smell of peppermint reminds him of when he first had sex. Every time there's one notable event or sensation it goes on for pages and it's all as relatable as it is readable. In part, probably, because of the self-effacing nature of the narrator.

I don't want to use all my good Nineteen Eighty Four material before I get to reading it again soon but as you read this and you read the earnestness with which George pines for the certainty of his childhood idyll (he notes the appropriateness of the town being built with the church and cemetery in the middle, a constant reminder that you know what will happen to you which is comforting, certainly more comforting than the modern world he finds himself in), if you know the rest of Orwell at this point and up to this point I have to say it's one of the bleakest things I've ever read. It's scarier when you know what you've lost than when you don't.
 

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And finally, if anyone ever tries to claim Orwell is quotable, remind them the best one can be found in Coming Up for Air:

I read the things I wanted to read, and I got more out of them than I ever got out of the stuff they taught me at school.
 

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After almost a year of reading I finally finished it today, all 1800 pages. My plan for the year was to read two huge books, first was Norman Mailers, The Executioners Song & second was this.

The author was a journalist who lived in Germany until it became too dangerous , because of his proximity to the third reich we get a look at how something so evil manifested in back rooms & beer halls & spread across the world , that no historian or academic could ever achieve.

Written in layman style , the book is readable , and at 1800 pages that is saying something.

A must read - for keeping history at arms length only begs to repeat it.

10/10
 

Spring in Fialta

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Dream Story by Arthur Schnitzler (1926) - This is the book Stanley Kubrick based his movie Eyes Wide Shut on. I thought it was a rather bland book, personally, and another case where Kubrick took an average work and make better art out of it. The story nor the prose was bad per say, but I felt there were some pacing issues with the book. For one, the story starts off abruptly with zero build-up which doesn't give you enough time to care for the characters, or be interested in their story. This aspect isn't help by the prose, which is monotone (which can often be an advantage depending on the story) but this doesn't pay off here, considering the atmospheric scenes the author puts in place, which is filled with mystery and intrigue and sexual tension. Mind you, this isn't a bad book and the premise is sound with some particularly inspired passages (especially in the last chapters) but I think Schnitzler would have done well to flesh out his story, and delve deeper into his protagonist's turmoil and subsequent revelations which often end without any meat for the reader to pick at. Still a decent read, and I enjoyed it, but the movie's better, despite Kidman's best attempts to wreck it.
 

kihei

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Surfing with Sartre, by Aaron James

Aaron Jones is a philosopher who thinks surfing is the absolute essence of freedom. I like Sartre, about the only philosopher I do like, but I know bugger all about surfing despite hanging out on Maui a lot. Guessed the book might be interesting. Don't know what I was thinking. If you are a fanatic surfer and are really into philosophy, Surfing with Sartre might be like chocolate chip cookies to you. For the rest of us, the book is more slog than revelation.
 

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