Lasse Kukkonen / Group VI UFA

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  1. Rick Deckard

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    This thread is mainly a question to Irish Blues and kdb209.

    Irish Blues, you say on your homepage under the player cap page that Lasse Kukkonen will be a Group VI UFA, if he doesn't play 70 NHL games this season, otherwise he is a RFA.

    According to the CBA a player has to be 25 or older, needs three professional seasons under a SPC and played less than 80 NHL games to qualify for Group VI UFAs.

    As Kukkonen only played two seasons in North America (03-04, 06-07), why does he qualify for Group VI UFAs? Was he under contract with Chicago than he played for Oulu during the lockout?
     
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    You're right ... it probably stems back to when I was counting '04-05 as a year of pro service for determining Group VI free agency; however, in Exhibit 16 it states that it's not. Thus, Kukkonen should be RFA - I'll fix it later this week.
     
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    Thanks for the quick answer.
     
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    Yup. For some inexplicable reason, Group VI is the odd man out. For Group II, Group III, and Group V FA status, a player who earned a professional season / accrued season in '03-'04 also earned one during the lockout in '04-'05. Even for things like qualifying for a one way QO or meeting option year criteria for games played, players were credited the same number of games played during the lockout as they played in '03-'04.
     
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    Does that mean Thomas Pock won't be a group VI?

    2003-04 New York Rangers NHL 6 2 2 4 0
    2004-05 Hartford Wolf Pack AHL 50 1 5 6 55 6 0 1 1 8
    2004-05 Charlotte Checkers ECHL 3 0 2 2 2
    2005-06 Hartford Wolf Pack AHL 67 15 46 61 99 6 0 3 3 15
    2005-06 New York Rangers NHL 8 1 1 2 4
    2006-07 Hartford Wolf Pack* AHL 4 0 1 1 2
    2006-07 New York Rangers NHL 35 1 2 3 12

    49 NHL games played.He is 25 years old.

    If 04-05 isn't counted,Pock is a group II.He played in Hartford/Charlotte during the lockout
     
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    No, because Pock has a year of pro service from 2003-04. See 10.1(c)(i) - if you're under 20, it takes 10 or more games to count as a professional season; if you're 20 or older, it only takes 1 game to count. As defined above, "games" includes NHL regular-season, NHL playoff, minor league regular-season, minor league playoff, and any games in a European league while under an SPC.

    So Pock has 3 pro seasons: 2003-04, 2005-06, and 2006-07. He does get credit for 6 games in 2004-05 as per Exhibit 16, but right now that still only gets him to 55 games. That's 3 pro seasons and fewer than 80 NHL games, making him a Group VI free agent.
     
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    This is exhibit 16?

     
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    You snipped exactly what I was talking about. For the 2004-05 season, Pock gets credit for the 6 games he played in 2003-04 and the lockout year doesn't count as a year of pro service. The problem is, he was 22 in 2003-04 so once he played one (1) game in the NHL or AHL, it counted as a pro season for the purpose of Group VI.
     
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    Lasse Kukkonen - Games Played re: Group VI UFA

    Won't Lasse Kukkonen also have played too many games (i.e., assuming no injury, he will have over 80 total NHL games by the end of this 06-07 season) to be a Group VI UFA?
     
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    Hence the, "if he doesn't play 70 NHL games this season" disclaimer that I had before he hit 70 games. (Of course, we've clarified his status so it's all moot.)
     

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